The Best Wicket keeper?

[sayon basak]

Also pretty sure Dujon wasn't World Class to spinners, would rate Dhoni ahead as a keeper.

My Father rates Dujon very highly tho.

 

[SillyCowCorner1]

My Father rates Dujon very highly tho.

Of all the keepers, he’s the one that’s kept farthest away from the stumps behind the wicket.

 

[Line and Length]

Having seen Knott keeping to Underwood on a 'sticky', he gets my vote.

 

[Bolo.]

Safer and Great against spin, so yeah. Dhoni really is getting underrated now.....

Dhoni was great in ODIs with how he pressured the bats, but pretty meh in tests. For people with long keeping stints, I think I might rate him the best in ODIs I've seen, and the worst in tests.

 

[Thala_0710]

Dhoni was great in ODIs with how he pressured the bats, but pretty meh in tests. For people with long keeping stints, I think I might rate him the best in ODIs I've seen, and the worst in tests.

Surely any cricketers keeping skills don't change that much from format to format

 

[capt_Luffy]

Dhoni was great in ODIs with how he pressured the bats, but pretty meh in tests. For people with long keeping stints, I think I might rate him the best in ODIs I've seen, and the worst in tests.

Dhoni was very ugly but his gloveswork was top notch against spin and more than adequate to pace.

 

[Coronis]

Surely any cricketers keeping skills don't change that much from format to format

Would depend on their stamina I guess. Even a single session of keeping in a test is 4x longer than a T20 and like 1.8x longer than an ODI.

Plus you know, different tactics and styles of bowling are often employed across formats, they might be more suited to those particular ones.

 

[capt_Luffy]

Or overrated.

Dujon was pretty safe

My Father rates Dujon very highly tho.

I just don't rate keepers much higher based on just their performance to pacers. Sure, Dujon was World Class to pace, but he was at his best standing far back and had his issues even with bowlers like Harper.

 

[Coronis]

I just don't rate keepers much higher based on just their performance to pacers. Sure, Dujon was World Class to pace, but he was at his best standing far back and had his issues even with bowlers like Harper.

iirc I remember a certain keeper in some random article asserting that keeping to spinners was the true test of a keeper.

 

[capt_Luffy]

iirc I remember a certain keeper in some random article asserting that keeping to spinners was the true test of a keeper.

I don't know about that, but I actually agree. Spinners needs much sharper reflexes on the get go. I have kept in a few friendlies, but even at that low level, spinners were nightmarishly tougher than pacers.

 

[HouHsiaoHsien]

Wasim Bari should be an option

 

[Bolo.]

Dhoni was very ugly but his gloveswork was top notch against spin and more than adequate to pace.

I don't think he was more than adequate against pace. Poor I think.

I may be overestimating the importance of pace in his career though. A lot of what I saw him keep to was pace on account of watching him play in RSA.

Surely any cricketers keeping skills don't change that much from format to format

Not quite the same skills. In tests, if you drop a catch you are having a horror show of a match. This forces the keeper back against pace.

In LO a drop is often not as important. Run rate is sometimes key, and gets you wickets. He could stand up to a lot of bolwers, which he was outstanding at. He was outstanding at things like stumpings and runouts, which are much bigger factors in LOs- keeping the bats in the crease makes free scoring a lot trickier.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I don't think he was more than adequate against pace. Poor I think.

I may be overestimating the importance of pace in his career though. A lot of what I saw him keep to was pace on account of watching him play in RSA.

Not quite the same skills. In tests, if you drop a catch you are having a horror show of a match. This forces the keeper back against pace.

In LO a drop is often not as important. Run rate is sometimes key, and gets you wickets. He could stand up to a lot of bolwers, which he was outstanding at. He was outstanding at things like stumpings and runouts, which are much bigger factors in LOs- keeping the bats in the crease makes free scoring a lot trickier.

Then let's agree to disagree. He was more than adequate to pacers more often than not and hardly dropped much.

 

[Coronis]

Then let's agree to disagree. He was more than adequate to pacers more often than not and hardly dropped much.

Inspires confidence

 

[OverratedSanity]

Dhoni's glovework to spin was also not top notch imo. It was fine, but he wasn't as good against spin as say Gilchrist, let alone top tier keepers like Healy.

Said it before, but everything about Dhoni was geared towards him being great in limited overs rather than tests. He had lightning quick hands when it came to stumpings and superb instincts for turning mediocre throws from the outfield into runouts. Both things way more valuable in ODIs because of them being more frequent in ODIs than tests. His general tidiness when keeping to spinners and taking caught behinds off thick-ish edges was not as good as people think. He missed more than a few chances late in his career off Ojha, Harbhajan. ATG keeper in ODIs, but merely good in tests imo.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Surely any cricketers keeping skills don't change that much from format to format

It does. There are aspects of keeping that are more/less valuable depending on the format.

 

[Thala_0710]

It does. There are aspects of keeping that are more/less valuable depending on the format.

It changes a bit yes, surely not enough to make a person go from no 1 in white ball to last in red ball

 

[DrWolverine]

During their playing days Bob Taylor was rated as a better keeper than Alan Knott

 

[Migara]

Nah, Parore was superb (especially after Rixon became NZ coach).

The issue was that Sri Lankan reserve keeper was better than him.

 

[Migara]

Dhoni over Dujon?

Really?

Dujon was never tested against quality spin.

We saw what happens to great keepers to pacemen introduced to spinners. Mark Boucher was beast keeping to pace. He was a shipwreck in the Super test when he kept to Murali. Greatest keepers need to keep ATG to extremely good spinners to enter the hall of fame.