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The Battle of the Englishmen

shortpitched713

International Captain
Fairly straightforward for me. Barnes was probably the best bowler from his era, whereas Ranji wasn't the best with the bat during his.
 

Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
shortpitched713 said:
Fairly straightforward for me. Barnes was probably the best bowler from his era, whereas Ranji wasn't the best with the bat during his.
Who was, then? Fry? Hobbs didn't enter the scene until 1906, by which time Ranji was back in India.
 
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a massive zebra

International Captain
Samuel_Vimes said:
Who was, then? Fry? Hobbs didn't enter the scene until 1906, by which time Ranji was back in India.
Ranji finished above Fry in the county championship averages virtually every year until he left at the end of the 1904 season, during which time some would say Fry was at his very best. Also if you read the old Wisden's of that time it is obvious who was considered the better of the two by contemporaries.
 

JBH001

International Regular
Whatever.
Didn't Ranji (and Fry) have a shocker against the touring 1902 Australians?
Averaged in single figures I think, and his failure was one of the reasons England lost a series they were expected to win.

Barnes for me.
 

shortpitched713

International Captain
Samuel_Vimes said:
Who was, then? Fry? Hobbs didn't enter the scene until 1906, by which time Ranji was back in India.
I was using the word era quite liberally. Off the top of my head I'd say that Barnes was the best pre great war bowler, but then we see what trouble those kind of snap judgements get you in on this board.8-)
 

BoyBrumby

Englishman
Barnes's guile is enough for the Indian maestro & advances to the final 9-4.

The draw for the final has been made at random (:p) & we certainly have a final worthy of the occasion; The Master batsman versus arguably the best bowler ever. The traditional battle between leather & willow. To allow everyone who's even vaguely interested a chance to exercise their vote I'll leave the final open for 48 hours.

Battle of the Englishmen: Grand Final

Jack Hobbs
61 tests, 5410 runs @ 56.94 (15 centuries, 28 half-centuries), 1 wicket @ 165.00
834 FC matches, 61,760 runs @ 50.70 (199 centuries, 273 half-centuries), 108 wickets @ 25.03 (5 wicket innings: 3)



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Sydney Barnes
27 tests, 242 runs @ 8.06, 189 wickets @ 16.43 (5 wicket innings: 24, 10 wicket matches: 7)
133 FC matches, 1573 runs @ 12.78 (2 half-centuries), 719 wickets @ 17.09 (5 wicket innings: 68, 10 wicket matches: 18)

 

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