The atmosphere in Cricket Chat - Suggestions & Discussion

[Sir Alex]

On the point of number of moderators, I personally think it to be quite important. Because of the global nature of cricket and its followers we need moderators who can cover the whole spectrum of times that members post.

A genuine query. How many moderators are there from the subcontinent?

 

[Richard]

I'd be interested in hearing some more details on this, maybe a few examples? Personally I think the moderation here is excellent, but obviously everything is open to improvement.

One trend I must say I've noticed is that of the moderators who've been appointed since 2006, there's been a notable trend - do a bit of decent moderating early on, then almost completely stop doing it.

I've been assured several times that inactive moderators are still useful in terms of technical expertise, but I really can't be alone in failing to see the point in someone being a moderator if they don't do any moderating. Even the serious long-term mods (Pickup and Camps) hardly do anything these days - they hardly ever post, after all.

By-and-large, moderators who do moderate do a decent-to-good job. But I've never understood why some mods decrease their activity.

If it's perceived that a number of mods (currently 12) is needed, surely this number needs to be composed of people who actually do moderate?

 

[Fusion]

A genuine query. How many moderators are there from the subcontinent?

I don't think there are any from the subcontinent itself, though SS obviously has his roots from there.

 

[JBH001]

Yeah, and I don't think the number of mods is high at all. Certainly, I know plenty of forums with less members and more mods.

Might be right about this. I just had a look at the number of moderators which is currently 12. Although I am pretty sure that a while ago it was substantially more than this? Given the usual active numbers on CC this seems to be about right - although as Vic implies, 1 - 2 more moderators from Indian/Pak/SL time zones may be needed with a reduction elsewhere, IMO.

Edit/ As long as these are active moderators. This may be why I earlier surmised that less moderators and better moderation was needed. As it seemed to me that while there was a lot of moderators there wasnt much moderating going on. 1 - 3 moderators evenly spaced out between major times zones (NZ/Aus; India/Pak/SL; SA; England; WI) should do the trick, or at least be more conducive to the smoother running of CC.

 

[Uppercut]

I don't think there are any from the subcontinent itself, though SS obviously has his roots from there.

Yeah, they're listed at the bottom of CC Alex. SS is the only one.

 

[Richard]

I don't think there are any from the subcontinent itself

There aren't, and never have been. In no small part, of course, to the fact that posters living in India (almost all India - we've hardly ever had any Pakistani and Lankan resident posters, because internet usage is not extensive there), while also not considerable in number, are either unsuitable for moderators or have not had the desire to partake.

Ideally we would of course have at least 1, ideally 2 or 3, mods who live in the subcontinent, but you can't get blood out of a stone.

 

[BoyBrumby]

I think you'll find, technically, WAG can actually be a singular noun.

Indeed. Vanessa Perroncel was the Wife of Wayne Bridge And the Girlfriend of John Terry.

& yes, pedants, I know she wasn't married to Bridge technically.

3. Senior and more active members need to take a hand and post more. Especially where newbies from other forums are concerned, oldies here need to show what is expected of them in terms of quality posts and standard of discussion or to guide a thread in that direction. Existing and senior members help create and maintain the required atmosphere - if they dont, then it will become something else.

It's a tightrope this tho; I suppose I'm a senior member (in terms of years and posts) but don't want to be a backseat moderator.

Some senior members (no names, no packdrill) can be very dismissive of noobs tho. One created a perfectly reasonable thread about a legitimate topic (best current middle order bat) and was basically shot down in flames for his (or her) effort.

It makes CW seem cliquey and unwelcoming to my way of thinking (in fact I've heard it said on at least two other cricket fora tbh) and, hard as it may be, mods need to crack down on this unwelcoming dismissiveness. I, for one, would rather not be thought of as a member of an exclusive club; CW should be a broad church.

 

[vic_orthdox]

A genuine query. How many moderators are there from the subcontinent?

Don't believe that there is one at the moment.

There are a few from the subcontinent that the moderating group has had in mind, however they have never shown interest in taking on the role, which is completely fair enough. There has been discussion amongst ourselves about whether we should change the manner in which the moderators are appointed, and begin approaching them rather than asking for applications.

Secondly, the time difference between the antipodean nations and the subcontinent isn't that great. Personally speaking, the need (IMO) is still there for additional northern hemisphere mods.

 

[Fusion]

I think one thing that nearly everyone has proposed is to have a more active moderating group. I would agree that probably the best way to achieve that is to add more moderators from different time zones, and ones that are specially active in CC.

 

[Sir Alex]

Thanks Fusion and Uppercut.

 

[GIMH]

Don't believe that there is one at the moment.

There are a few from the subcontinent that the moderating group has had in mind, however they have never shown interest in taking on the role, which is completely fair enough. There has been discussion amongst ourselves about whether we should change the manner in which the moderators are appointed, and begin approaching them rather than asking for applications.

Secondly, the time difference between the antipodean nations and the subcontinent isn't that great. Personally speaking, the need (IMO) is still there for additional northern hemisphere mods.

Jamee's activity seems to have dropped way off, Pickup is only here sporadically - who else do we have ooop north?

 

[Uppercut]

Cant remember all the details of instances off hand, CW and CC isnt that important to me that I keep all of this stored in my head, and I dont want to start naming names either. Just instances over the last few years where it seemed to me that moderation has either under-reacted or over-reacted and been one-sided. So, yeah, I'd disagree in that I dont think the moderation here is excellent - in fact, overall, I think it quite poor, or at best, average.

Why criticise if you're not willing to back it up with any facts or examples? That's just rude.

 

[Richard]

Might be right about this. I just had a look at the number of moderators which is currently 12. Although I am pretty sure that a while ago it was substantially more than this?

Moderator groups have gone:
James, Andre, Rich T, Corey, Neil;
James, Andre, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam;
James, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam, Pete;
James, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam, Pete, Jack;
James, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam, Pete, Jack, Simon, Brendan, Kyle, Towns;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Pete, Jack, Simon, Brendan, Kyle, Towns;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns, Gelman, Rob, Jamee, Manan, Sam M;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns, Rob, Jamee, Manan;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns, Rob, Jamee, Manan, Andy, Clapo

So 11-12 has been the standard since mid-2006.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Pete and I joined together, ITBT.

 

[Fusion]

Moderator groups have gone:
James, Andre, Rich T, Corey, Neil;
James, Andre, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam;
James, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam, Pete;
James, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam, Pete, Jack;
James, Rich T, Corey, Neil, Liam, Pete, Jack, Simon, Brendan, Kyle, Towns;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Pete, Jack, Simon, Brendan, Kyle, Towns;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns, Gelman, Rob, Jamee, Manan, Sam M;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns, Rob, Jamee, Manan;
James, Rich T, Neil, Liam, Jack, Kyle, Towns, Rob, Jamee, Manan, Andy, Clapo

So 11-12 has been the standard since mid-2006.

Rich, your encyclopedic knowledge of CW’s history never ceases to amaze me.

 

[JBH001]

It's a tightrope this tho; I suppose I'm a senior member (in terms of years and posts) but don't want to be a backseat moderator.

Some senior members (no names, no packdrill) can be very dismissive of noobs tho. One created a perfectly reasonable thread about a legitimate topic (best current middle order bat) and was basically shot down in flames for his (or her) effort.

It makes CW seem cliquey and unwelcoming to my way of thinking (in fact I've heard it said on at least two other cricket fora tbh) and, hard as it may be, mods need to crack down on this unwelcoming dismissiveness. I, for one, would rather not be thought of as a member of an exclusive club; CW should be a broad church.

Yeah, agree with this. CW can be very cliquey - this was what I meant when I said, in an earlier thread, that CW had a "small and somewhat cossetted membership". Its not a friendly place, which is why I often have a chuckle at James's join CC blurb on the CW main page; it never has been.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Jamee's activity seems to have dropped way off, Pickup is only here sporadically - who else do we have ooop north?

silentstriker from the States, obv.

 

[Richard]

Jamee's activity seems to have dropped way off, Pickup is only here sporadically - who else do we have ooop north?

Manan - that's it.

There's nothing wrong with Jamee's activity dropping off, he's at an important stage of his schooling (when most of us were posting away to a massive extent ) but often when posters have done such a thing in the past they've abdicated as mods. Not sure whether Jamee has or has not considered such a course of action.

 

[Sir Alex]

Don't believe that there is one at the moment.

There are a few from the subcontinent that the moderating group has had in mind, however they have never shown interest in taking on the role, which is completely fair enough. There has been discussion amongst ourselves about whether we should change the manner in which the moderators are appointed, and begin approaching them rather than asking for applications.

Secondly, the time difference between the antipodean nations and the subcontinent isn't that great. Personally speaking, the need (IMO) is still there for additional northern hemisphere mods.

Thanks vic_orthdox. I think you have a valid point. But having a few subcontinental moderators might help particularly when there is a clash of cultures as some other poster mentioned here (Was it Andre?). No offence to other moderators, but the subcontinental moderators will be able to appreciate better the sentiments of another subcontinental member, and thus there could be a reasonable balance in appreciation of such matters while taking a judgemental call.

 

[Richard]

Pete and I joined together, ITBT.

Really? WoW, could've absolutely sworn he joined then you did a few months later. Was sure you were still in your CW nappies when he was appointed.