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Since Gary Ballance did play for Zimbabwe towards the end of his career, is he a chance to get into Zimbabwe all time test second XI?
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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GirthQuake
U19 12th Man
Who's this guy procter? Sounds like if he played today then with a bit of hardwork he might be as good as Jaddu.
BazBall21
International Captain
Australia
Trumper
Lawry
Don
Smith
Chappell
Gilchrist
Miller
Warne
Lindwall
Lillee
McGrath
Windies
Greenidge
Hunte
Headley
Viv
Lara
Sobers
Walcott
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose
South Africa
Richards
Kirsten
Nourse
Pollock
Kallis
De Villiers
Proctor
Faulkner
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
England
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Root
Barrington
Botham
Knott
Snow
Trueman
Barnes
Anderson
Pakistan
Hanif
Anwar
Younis
Miandad
Inzamam
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Fazal
Saqlain
Waqar
India
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tenudlkar
Kohli
Pant
Kapil
Jadeja
Ashwin
Srinath
Bumrah
Trumper
Lawry
Don
Smith
Chappell
Gilchrist
Miller
Warne
Lindwall
Lillee
McGrath
Windies
Greenidge
Hunte
Headley
Viv
Lara
Sobers
Walcott
Marshall
Holding
Garner
Ambrose
South Africa
Richards
Kirsten
Nourse
Pollock
Kallis
De Villiers
Proctor
Faulkner
Pollock
Steyn
Donald
England
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton
Root
Barrington
Botham
Knott
Snow
Trueman
Barnes
Anderson
Pakistan
Hanif
Anwar
Younis
Miandad
Inzamam
Rizwan
Imran
Wasim
Fazal
Saqlain
Waqar
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Sehwag
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BazBall21
International Captain
Gooch was brilliant.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
On SA:
No Graeme Smith?? Kirsten really played his best in the middle order. Also, Faulkner was a batting allrounder, he used to bat at 3-5; should definitely bat ahead of Proctor.
On England:
No spinners?? Surely, Laker, Verity, Underwood or Rhodes could come in for Snow or Anderson, as there are already 5 pacers/medium pacers.
BazBall21
International Captain
Barnes was by most accounts a spinner and he obviously has a great record. If we aren't counting Barnes as a spinner, then maybe Verity for Anderson.
I know Anderson has had a better career than Snow overall, but I think the attack would be more unbalanced if you took John out because swing bowlers (Trueman and Botham) are still there. Snow is the point of difference hit the deck beast.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Barnes was a medium pacer by most accounts I believe; to begin with he was a new ball bowler.
BazBall21
International Captain
Anderson might have to make way then because I think England would suffer more without Snow in a hypothetical all time xi tournament.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yep, I could see an argument for that, though Anderson was definitely the greater bowler, Snow might be more effective in this situation. Also, I think Faulkner should definitely bat higher
Coronis
International Coach
Interesting how you managed to put a keeper at 6 in every side bar the Windies, thus giving every other team an extra bowler and making the Windies the third best attack at best.
I still seriously have no idea how people are picking Qadir for a side - he was ****ing atrocious outside of Pakistan. Its like picking Warner to open in an Aussie ATG XI, but worse. At least Warner has a couple of other places where he was successful.
Yeah Saqlain's my go for the Pak spinner.
BazBall21
International Captain
Yeah probably should have picked Saqlain there.
ataraxia
International Coach
I was a bit disbelieving of PEWS' mantra that CW posters tend to massively overrate Faulkner's bowling and massively underrate his batting, but seeing this side...
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Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Richards
Smith
Kallis
Pollock
Nourse
DeVilliers
DeKock
Procter
Tayfield
Steyn
Donald
Wondering if Faulkner makes my SA XI. I’m favouring selecting a proper keeper rather than AB and think DeKock’s batting gives him an edge (although Lindsay and Waite were fine batsmen also). I actually don’t know who the best keeper of the three was. I never rated Boucher’s keeping highly.
With an attack of Steyn, Donald, Procter and Tayfield, plus Kallis, I don’t think a sixth bowling option is needed. And Nourse was an elite bat. So maybe this.
Lots of options with a SA XI. Faulkner could easily come in for almost anyone if two spinners were wanted and you can still get a nicely balanced XI.
Smith
Kallis
Pollock
Nourse
DeVilliers
DeKock
Procter
Tayfield
Steyn
Donald
Wondering if Faulkner makes my SA XI. I’m favouring selecting a proper keeper rather than AB and think DeKock’s batting gives him an edge (although Lindsay and Waite were fine batsmen also). I actually don’t know who the best keeper of the three was. I never rated Boucher’s keeping highly.
With an attack of Steyn, Donald, Procter and Tayfield, plus Kallis, I don’t think a sixth bowling option is needed. And Nourse was an elite bat. So maybe this.
Lots of options with a SA XI. Faulkner could easily come in for almost anyone if two spinners were wanted and you can still get a nicely balanced XI.
Red
The normal awards that everyone else has
Adding Shaun Pollock, Faulkner, Bruce Mitchell, Amla and Rabada gives you an excellent touring party. DeVillers back up keeper, extra spinner who can bat top 6, extra opening and middle bats, and 5 elite quicks plus Kallis. Would cover any contingency.
Line and Length
Cricketer Of The Year
Being a WWII baby and my mother born during WWI, the era between the wars holds an interest.
Selecting an ATG XI from just a 20 year period isn't easy.
My first side comprises players who played the majority of their Tests in that era,
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Headley
Hammond
McCabe
Ames
Tate
Larwood
Voce
O'Reilly
My second sides comprises only those whose Test Careers were exclusively between the wars.
Sutcliffe
Ponsford
Paynter
Hendren
Leyland
McCabe
Ames
Tate
Larwood
Verity/Grimmett
Martindale
Both teams look far stronger in the batting department. Players who came under consideration but missed out include Gregory, Ryder, Jardine, Mitchell and Oldfield.
Selecting an ATG XI from just a 20 year period isn't easy.
My first side comprises players who played the majority of their Tests in that era,
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman
Headley
Hammond
McCabe
Ames
Tate
Larwood
Voce
O'Reilly
My second sides comprises only those whose Test Careers were exclusively between the wars.
Sutcliffe
Ponsford
Paynter
Hendren
Leyland
McCabe
Ames
Tate
Larwood
Verity/Grimmett
Martindale
Both teams look far stronger in the batting department. Players who came under consideration but missed out include Gregory, Ryder, Jardine, Mitchell and Oldfield.
PlayerComparisons
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No Hammond or Ponting?
Jarquis
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Here were the 1st and 2nd XIs voted on in 2018
Zimbabwe XI
1 G Flower
2 H Masakadza
3 M Goodwin
4 A Flower
5 D Houghton
6 G Whittall
7 T Taibu+
8 P Strang
9 H Streak
10 E Brandes
11 K Jarvis
Zimbabwe A XI
1 A Campbell
2 K Arnott
3 S Carlisle
4 C Ervine
5 B Taylor+
6 N Johnson
7 S Ervine
8 A Blignaut
9 R Price
10 D Brain
11 H Olonga