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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

CricAddict

CricAddict

Cricketer Of The Year
Flem274* said:
English all time sides usually comprise players from ancient history, a time when the game was quite different to how it is now, but I think Joe Root belongs in that team now.

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Barrington
Root
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No place for Sutcliffe? He actually averages the highest among all England greats from a good span of 50+ tests.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
CricAddict said:
No place for Sutcliffe? He actually averages the highest among all England greats from a good span of 50+ tests.
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Well he was the no. 2 to Hobbs and I rate Hutton as England's best ever batsman. So difficult to get him in there. He also is borderline as to how far do we go back, he didn't face the greatest of competition and befitted greatly from the old lbw rule.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
He was no #3 at test level but I think England could have fielded worse #7s than Bopara when Flintoff wasn't fit. The existence of Matt Prior, early Broad, Bresnan and Swann gives you flexibility.

I'm probably overrating his mediums though.
 
kyear2

kyear2

International Coach
Flem274* said:
English all time sides usually comprise players from ancient history, a time when the game was quite different to how it is now, but I think Joe Root belongs in that team now.

Hobbs
Hutton
Hammond
Barrington
Root
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I recall when we were all saying the same about KP, Root is a bit different from Steve Smith where he's hasn't quite placed his name among the elites.
But then England's team isn't quite as difficult to break into as the Aussies.
He's in the discussion though, and in the form of his life.
 
Flem274*

Flem274*

123/5
ataraxia said:
Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Hutton*
Hammond
Grace
Ranji
Knott +
Lohmann
Verity
Trueman
Barnes
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I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're correct and this is a very valid side, but this here is why I don't find England's all time side interesting. It's just a dumping ground of players from ancient history who played when cricket was very different to how it is now and in all honesty, the standard was lower than say 1950-60 onwards.

I don't hold it against those players because it isn't their job to be good in 2021 (just like it isn't Root's job to go face some bloke on a sticky deck) but I struggle to find selecting England interesting because the side has been almost static since before my dad was born.

Anyway lots of piling on the poms so here's their best team of my lifetime.

Gooch
Cook
Stewart
Root (c)
KP
Stokes
Prior (wk)
Flintoff
Swann
Broad
Anderson
 
F

Fuller Pilch

Hall of Fame Member
Flem274* said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're correct and this is a very valid side, but this here is why I don't find England's all time side interesting. It's just a dumping ground of players from ancient history who played when cricket was very different to how it is now and in all honesty, the standard was lower than say 1950-60 onwards.

I don't hold it against those players because it isn't their job to be good in 2021 (just like it isn't Root's job to go face some bloke on a sticky deck) but I struggle to find selecting England interesting because the side has been almost static since before my dad was born.

Anyway lots of piling on the poms so here's their best team of my lifetime.

Gooch
Cook
Stewart
Root (c)
KP
Stokes
Prior (wk)
Flintoff
Swann
Broad
Anderson
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Pretty decent side, although I'd give Gooch the captaincy. Shame that Root can't bat 3 because I'd like to pick Thorpe, but no room for him.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Flem274* said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're correct and this is a very valid side, but this here is why I don't find England's all time side interesting. It's just a dumping ground of players from ancient history who played when cricket was very different to how it is now and in all honesty, the standard was lower than say 1950-60 onwards.

I don't hold it against those players because it isn't their job to be good in 2021 (just like it isn't Root's job to go face some bloke on a sticky deck) but I struggle to find selecting England interesting because the side has been almost static since before my dad was born.
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This is completely accurate but also I feel a reason why some English players can be prematurely overrated, moreso than other nations. Because they haven’t had the absolute top players in so long, seems like people are all too eager to crown someone up and coming, and a lot of English players haven’t been able to deal with that extra pressure in recent times sadly.
 
stephen

stephen

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Flem274* said:
I'm not saying you're wrong, because you're correct and this is a very valid side, but this here is why I don't find England's all time side interesting. It's just a dumping ground of players from ancient history who played when cricket was very different to how it is now and in all honesty, the standard was lower than say 1950-60 onwards.

I don't hold it against those players because it isn't their job to be good in 2021 (just like it isn't Root's job to go face some bloke on a sticky deck) but I struggle to find selecting England interesting because the side has been almost static since before my dad was born.

Anyway lots of piling on the poms so here's their best team of my lifetime.

Gooch
Cook
Stewart
Root (c)
KP
Stokes
Prior (wk)
Flintoff
Swann
Broad
Anderson
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Strauss*
Cook
Thorpe
Root
Pieterson
Flintoff
Stokes
Prior+
Broad
Swann
Anderson (h) / Gough (a)

Technically I could include Botham but I really was too young to remember him. None of the 90s players left a great impression on me either except Thorpe and Gough.
 
Nintendo

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
stephen said:
Strauss*
Cook
Thorpe
Root
Pieterson
Flintoff
Stokes
Prior+
Broad
Swann
Anderson (h) / Gough (a)

Technically I could include Botham but I really was too young to remember him. None of the 90s players left a great impression on me either except Thorpe and Gough.
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Prior at 8 with Broad and swann at 9/10 is absurd batdeep jeez.
 
Nintendo

Nintendo

Cricketer Of The Year
TheJediBrah said:
eh it's an above average tail for sure but nothing that special
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Stokes at 7, A batsmen who averages 40 in tests at #8, a #9 with a test ton who has scored the most runs in that position EVER, a #10 who averages 22 and an #11 who's not an absolute bunny is a bit better then "above average", IMO, but that's subjective. If you account for freddy at 6, which is way to high, it probably equals itself out.
 
Ymaxxx

Ymaxxx

School Boy/Girl Captain
Allow me to correct the lineup

  1. Jack Hobbs
  2. Len Hutton
  3. Walter Hammond
  4. Ken Barrington
  5. Joe Root
  6. Ben Stokes
  7. Ian Botham
  8. Andrew Flintoff (Trueman too but he not as iconic as freddie soo)
  9. Alan Knott
  10. Jim Laker
  11. James Anderson
 
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