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Today's the 50th anniversary of Hanif and his brother Sadiq Mohammad becoming only the second brother pairing to open the batting in tests, 1969.I am the only one missing the joke/reference?
I think there's a difference between disregarding him and having a healthy scepticismWell, I was blowing it out of proportion of course. But I'd say at least one in five people who post here disregard him for that exact reason.
Yes, it's 2028.Today's the 59th anniversary of Hanif and his brother Sadiq Mohammad becoming only the second brother pairing to open the batting in tests, 1969.
And the 43rd anniversary of Sadiq and Mushtaq Mohammad becoming only the 2nd brother pairing to score centuries in the same test innings.
I don’t really have a conclusive ranking of all AR’s atm, that was really just a select few. Based on a (very) cursory glance, I don’t think his batting was a significant enough improvement on Hadlee’s to overcome the bowling difference.Where’ve you got pollock in your ranking?
So do I. That's why I keep telling people to watch footage of him.I think there's a difference between disregarding him and having a healthy scepticism
Meant to write, 50thYes, it's 2028.
Sure have done. Jack Bond whacked him for four in nearly complete darkness to dump Gloucs out of the 1971 Gillette Cup. Clearly the bloke must have been complete rubbish.So do I. That's why I keep telling people to watch footage of him.
Okay, now go and watch highlights of Mark Waugh batting, look at his non-Test First Class average of 58 and his average after seven Tests of 61 and tell me you wouldn't rate him as one of the best batsmen of all time based on all that if not for what happened when he actually played a lot of Tests.So do I. That's why I keep telling people to watch footage of him.
Eric Hollies once bowled Donald Bradman for a duck. Abdul Razzaq once took 20 runs off a Glenn McGrath over. Jason Gillespie once hit a double ton. Inzamam-ul-Haq once successfully ran a tight single.Sure have done. Jack Bond whacked him for four in nearly complete darkness to dump Gloucs out of the 1971 Gillette Cup. Clearly the bloke must have been complete rubbish.
I rate Mark Waugh extremely highly. Even higher than Steve Waugh. I'm literally the last guy who rates players on their stats. I also think Graeme Hick & Mark Ramprakash were absolute guns.Okay, now go and watch highlights of Mark Waugh batting, look at his non-Test First Class average of 58 and his average after seven Tests of 61 and tell me you wouldn't rate him as one of the best batsmen of all time based on all that if not for what happened when he actually played a lot of Tests.
I rate Mark Waugh extremely highly. Even higher than Steve Waugh. I'm literally the last guy who rates players on their stats. I also think Graeme Hick & Mark Ramprakash were absolute guns.
I think fast bowlers are much easier to predict the effectiveness of with an eye test than batsmen so I don't think this is hypocritical per se, but even with the former you still get Mohammad Sami sometimes. I actually think Mohammad Sami is slightly under-rated on CW sometimes (or to put it more accurately, "over-hated", because no-one should really rate him), but the idea that he was the most unlucky person on Earth repeatedly for that period of time and actually roughly as good as Brett Lee doesn't really appeal to me.I'm a bit conflicted, I am generally of the substance over style viewpoint for batsman, but the other way around with fast bowlers.
Nah Procter was clearly much better than Irani, but he didn't really perform that much better than Irani at the level he played the bulk of his cricket at. If your argument is "eyes not spreadsheets" then fine but it leads you down some weird paths to the point where you're not going to convince many people you're onto a winner. I'm also not going to convince many people I'm onto a winner with my Siddle>Lillee=Ishant "spreadsheet" but at least I don't pretend I have a hoard of superior cricket watchers behind me with that ****.Did Mike Procter actually just get categorised with Ronnie Irani? Or am I missing something?