stephen
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Yeah ok I'll cop that.
That was the season all the Australian top 5 were making runs for fun wasn't it? M Marsh and Nevill notably not scoring. I do remember Johnson retiring after a particularly flat WACA.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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That was the season all the Australian top 5 were making runs for fun wasn't it? M Marsh and Nevill notably not scoring. I do remember Johnson retiring after a particularly flat WACA.
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I can relate to this on multiple levels
jimmy101
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Yeah, that was a tough one. I probably rate Lyon, Ashwin, Rashid Khan as the best three in the world currently.
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Rabada having collectively slipped from everyone's minds recently has been strange. I think he's been less amazing than usual recently but he still remains the best in the world for me. Has it all.
sunilz
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Is getting personal allowed on this forum ?
kyear2
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I'm still waiting to hear the great bowlers he has faced and had battles against.
I have no issue saying the young gentleman is already ATG. Heck even top 10. But all the gentleman I've mentioned went through the full ups and downs of an entire career and faced off against both ATGs and ATG attacks. Hayden was never taken fully seriously after how he fared early in his career even though he too is ATG.
Baker Mayfield last year passed for a rookie record 27 touchdowns and won 7 games. Then someone pointed out in the off season, that none of the wind and few of those TD, s came against teams with winning records. It matters who you do it against. And how you do it. It's what Sangakkara, Barrington and Sutcliffe isn't absolute top tier / ten.
Hammond was also in this range of average before the war and would have missed out on the tail of his prime as well. And he destroyed his average by playing after the war when he was past it.
Sobers too started his career as a left arm spinner and took years to get going. Once he did though it was very Smith like.
There was also when Ponting was going all guns and leading an all rampaging team and there was similar arguments of best after Bradman and he was better than SRT and BCL.
Smith this series was superb. Period. And regardless of who it's vs you have to score the runs. And that's enough if we were arguing ATG status, but when we are calling him the 2nd best if not the best ever (which I will if he maintains this form and average throughout his career) we have to ask who it was against.
Again, not putting him down in anyways. He is the best bat in the world today and likely top 10 ever. But the hyperbole is definitely evident.
I personally live him, great bat, great slip and useful part-time bowler. Similar to Hammond and to me the most valuable type of all rounder (Sober, Kallis, Chapell etc but I know that's just me). Just pump the brakes for a bit.
For the record off the top of my head.
Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Lara, Hutton, Hobbs, Hammond are still the ones definitely above him to me. Not a long list at all.
I have no issue saying the young gentleman is already ATG. Heck even top 10. But all the gentleman I've mentioned went through the full ups and downs of an entire career and faced off against both ATGs and ATG attacks. Hayden was never taken fully seriously after how he fared early in his career even though he too is ATG.
Baker Mayfield last year passed for a rookie record 27 touchdowns and won 7 games. Then someone pointed out in the off season, that none of the wind and few of those TD, s came against teams with winning records. It matters who you do it against. And how you do it. It's what Sangakkara, Barrington and Sutcliffe isn't absolute top tier / ten.
Hammond was also in this range of average before the war and would have missed out on the tail of his prime as well. And he destroyed his average by playing after the war when he was past it.
Sobers too started his career as a left arm spinner and took years to get going. Once he did though it was very Smith like.
There was also when Ponting was going all guns and leading an all rampaging team and there was similar arguments of best after Bradman and he was better than SRT and BCL.
Smith this series was superb. Period. And regardless of who it's vs you have to score the runs. And that's enough if we were arguing ATG status, but when we are calling him the 2nd best if not the best ever (which I will if he maintains this form and average throughout his career) we have to ask who it was against.
Again, not putting him down in anyways. He is the best bat in the world today and likely top 10 ever. But the hyperbole is definitely evident.
I personally live him, great bat, great slip and useful part-time bowler. Similar to Hammond and to me the most valuable type of all rounder (Sober, Kallis, Chapell etc but I know that's just me). Just pump the brakes for a bit.
For the record off the top of my head.
Bradman, Tendulkar, Richards, Sobers, Lara, Hutton, Hobbs, Hammond are still the ones definitely above him to me. Not a long list at all.
stephen
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You're the uncanny valley of posting. Just enough humanity that we know that you're not a bot but not enough logic that we can definitely make sense of it.
I am probably being a bit harsh since I don't think English is your first language and I can't speak another language, let alone **** post in one, or as in your case, post **** in one.
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Only for some people
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I think Jadeja is generally preferred to Ashwin lately isn’t he?
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I think jimmys post was between India and Australian bowlers only, but yeah Rabada has been off the radar of late
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2017 vs India : Ashwin, jadeja at home are ATG in their conditions and the greatest challenge anyone has faced in the subcontinent since murali's retirement. I think it's probably the best I've ever seen an overseas player bat in India.
Theres also other series like 2014 in SA vs Steyn/Philander/Morkel where he played a couple of outstanding knocks, but that India tour was where he became an undisputed great for me.
kyear2
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It is getting too personal. Some of your arguments though aren't making any sense.
jimmy101
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I find it quite bizarre to be honest. I remember Jadeja was on fire in all formats a few years ago, and then he seemingly couldn't break into the side for basically the entirety of 2018. And now he looks to be the prime choice over Ashwin.
Sunilz will probably shed some light on the matter.
kyear2
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Watching as we speak.
sunilz
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You want me to discuss arguments with people who don't consider Klusener an ODI ATG and have already declared Smith 2nd best after Bradman .
kyear2
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Yeah, the Indian attack is a handful at home. With regard to SA he did score an even 100 and 1 other fifty in that series. He didn't do that much vs them since though. At least not yet.
But please note, not saying the guys isn't amazing.