bagapath
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My ideal T20 XI made up of those, who never played the format...
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Bradman
Viv Richards
Hammond
Sobers
Ames +
Miller
Kapil
Akram
Benaud *
Lindwall
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Bradman
Viv Richards
Hammond
Sobers
Ames +
Miller
Kapil
Akram
Benaud *
Lindwall
harsh.ag
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It's quite difficult for me to predict how good these players would have been at T20, especially bowlers. Even some people good at ODIs don't find themselves that suited to T20s. For example, MS Dhoni. For bowlers, I think it's just impossible to say, though Garner is probably a good bet.
Viv obviously is the best bet. Think someone like Graeme Pollock would have done well had a T20 game been held in 1970.
Viv obviously is the best bet. Think someone like Graeme Pollock would have done well had a T20 game been held in 1970.
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My updated All-time Northern vs. Southern hemisphere Test sides.
Northern
Hobbs
Hutton
V Richards
Tendulkar
Hammond 6
Sangakkara+
Sobers 5
Imran* 3
Marshall 1
Ambrose 2
Murali 4
Especially unlucky to miss out, Botham, Trueman, Knott, Wasim, Gavaskar, Lara, Headley, Barnes
Could have gone either way on Richards, Lara or Tendulkar, with Lara being the unlucky one today. although there's a good argument for Lara over either Richards or Tendulkar for the leftie option.
Southern:
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B. Richards
Bradman*
G Pollock
Ponting
Miller 5
Gilchrist+
Hadlee 1
Warne 4
Steyn 2
McGrath 3
Especially unlucky Kallis, Lillee, Procter, Donald, Chappell, Border,
Could have gone either way on Kallis/Miller, but I figured this side could benefit more from Miller's better bowling than Kallis' better batting.
So people think the South would win with Bradman being the differentiator or pretty even since the North have arguably the better depth in bowling?
Northern
Hobbs
Hutton
V Richards
Tendulkar
Hammond 6
Sangakkara+
Sobers 5
Imran* 3
Marshall 1
Ambrose 2
Murali 4
Especially unlucky to miss out, Botham, Trueman, Knott, Wasim, Gavaskar, Lara, Headley, Barnes
Could have gone either way on Richards, Lara or Tendulkar, with Lara being the unlucky one today. although there's a good argument for Lara over either Richards or Tendulkar for the leftie option.
Southern:
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B. Richards
Bradman*
G Pollock
Ponting
Miller 5
Gilchrist+
Hadlee 1
Warne 4
Steyn 2
McGrath 3
Especially unlucky Kallis, Lillee, Procter, Donald, Chappell, Border,
Could have gone either way on Kallis/Miller, but I figured this side could benefit more from Miller's better bowling than Kallis' better batting.
So people think the South would win with Bradman being the differentiator or pretty even since the North have arguably the better depth in bowling?
Victor Ian
International Coach
Loving it too. For what you might 'theoretically' lose out in bowling in selecting Khan and Hadlee - couldn't be more than a run or two - , you will make up more than another another ATG batsman in the batting. It makes me think the real best ATG team would have as much bowling all rounder as you can for the last 5 spots. Pity there is no serious ATG spin bowling all rounder.
Coronis
International Coach
Perhaps Kallis and Miller and remove Hadlee or Steyn?
stephen
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I'm not sure I'd play Kallis and Miller in the same team. If you have 5 bowlers of that class, Kallis isn't getting a bowl.
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Richards
Bradman
Pollock
Border*
Miller
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Warne
Steyn
McGrath
Is a far more balanced side. Hadlee, McGrath, Steyn and Miller is more than enough fast bowling firepower. Then you have Warne and Border as your spin options.
I'm not convinced that Pollock was any better than Chappell either.
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Richards
Bradman
Pollock
Border*
Miller
Gilchrist+
Hadlee
Warne
Steyn
McGrath
Is a far more balanced side. Hadlee, McGrath, Steyn and Miller is more than enough fast bowling firepower. Then you have Warne and Border as your spin options.
I'm not convinced that Pollock was any better than Chappell either.
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Not sure about Viv opening. I'd always pick a specialist opener.
EDIT : Having checked it up on cricinfo, turns out he did open for 2 matches, making scores of 30, 101, 50 and 98 in Australia. So he'd probably be fine.
harsh.ag
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centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
India all-time XI
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Azharuddin
Dhoni+
Dev
Kumble
Khan
Bedi
That batting-line.... is as good as any!
Kohli is pretty much an ATG, he is probably going to end up with at least 40 tons in tests, and 100+ tons in total.
Azharuddin > Laxman imo
(match-fixing killed his legacy so no one bothers about him. He played in a more difficult era and did brilliantly. Laxman on the other hand is more of Australia specialist).
Picking spinners is the most difficult. Bedi probably edges his contemporaries and Kumble with 600+ wickets edges the likes of Chandrasekhar, Harbhajan, Ashwin.
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Azharuddin
Dhoni+
Dev
Kumble
Khan
Bedi
That batting-line.... is as good as any!
Kohli is pretty much an ATG, he is probably going to end up with at least 40 tons in tests, and 100+ tons in total.
Azharuddin > Laxman imo
(match-fixing killed his legacy so no one bothers about him. He played in a more difficult era and did brilliantly. Laxman on the other hand is more of Australia specialist).
Picking spinners is the most difficult. Bedi probably edges his contemporaries and Kumble with 600+ wickets edges the likes of Chandrasekhar, Harbhajan, Ashwin.
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Bedi:
"A spinner's spinner, England's great offie Jim Laker once remarked: "My idea of paradise is Lord’s in the sunshine, with Ray Lindwall bowling from one end and Bishan Bedi from the other".
Perhaps most impressively of all, some of Bedi's greatest achievements came away from India and out of his comfort zone; his only 10-wicket haul came - of all places for a spinner - at the WACA Ground in Perth and he also claimed bags of eight in both Christchurch and Port-of-Spain."
Kumble too fared alright overseas, and in his prime was unplayable at home, so went with him. Ashwin still has a few things to prove and he has undoubtedly benefitted a great deal from more spinner friendly tracks! His batting makes his case stronger though. He probably needs to have a couple of good away tours and another good home cycle against the big teams to truly cement his place. Right now, he hasn't done it for long enough and appears to have declined now and is currently practicing and trying out leg spin which he says he will officially experiment in IPL! lmao, he is looking to become a bit of a legspinner since batsmen around the world have caught up with finger spin.
"A spinner's spinner, England's great offie Jim Laker once remarked: "My idea of paradise is Lord’s in the sunshine, with Ray Lindwall bowling from one end and Bishan Bedi from the other".
Perhaps most impressively of all, some of Bedi's greatest achievements came away from India and out of his comfort zone; his only 10-wicket haul came - of all places for a spinner - at the WACA Ground in Perth and he also claimed bags of eight in both Christchurch and Port-of-Spain."
Kumble too fared alright overseas, and in his prime was unplayable at home, so went with him. Ashwin still has a few things to prove and he has undoubtedly benefitted a great deal from more spinner friendly tracks! His batting makes his case stronger though. He probably needs to have a couple of good away tours and another good home cycle against the big teams to truly cement his place. Right now, he hasn't done it for long enough and appears to have declined now and is currently practicing and trying out leg spin which he says he will officially experiment in IPL! lmao, he is looking to become a bit of a legspinner since batsmen around the world have caught up with finger spin.
Victor Ian
International Coach
You really think this teams batting is as good as Australia or Windies?
centurymaker
Cricketer Of The Year
Yes. In subcontinent these guys are untouchable, they play 70% of their cricket in such conditions so they would dominate, just like how other countries' batsmen would thrive in their own conditions.
Plus there's Gavaskar, Dravid, Tendulkar and Kohli would do well overseas as well.
You can't dismiss BOTH Gavaskar and Dravid early, next to impossible. So middle order would get shielded more or less and then likes of Kohli, Tendulkar and Laxman would thrive if playing on Australian flat surfaces. And its not like Gavaskar and/or Dravid are going to get out until they have faced many overs and left & defended many balls.
Sehwag is like Hayden
Gavaskar is far better than any opener Aus can come up with.
Dravid << Bradman, but in terms of balls faced it's a closer contest.
Tendulkar > Chappell
Kohli ? Ponting (Kohli is unfinished but if he does play close to his potential he could surpass Ponting.
Laxman/Azhar < Steve Waugh/Border
Dhoni < Gilly
Australian batting is better but not by much.
People don't realize how good Gavaskar was, dude was the master opener in the era of most deadly bowlers and he batted without a helmet all his career. Fearless and perhaps the best defensive batsman of all time. Singlehandedly kept India competitive overseas. If he had played in the modern era with big bats, short boundaries, fast outfields where you just play a half defensive shot and ball races to the boundary.. if he had play now, he would be averaging 60+, and who knows how much if didn't have to face the new ball everytime. His achievements for his era are staggering.