The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[harsh.ag]

Do you think both Ross Taylor and Kane Williamson will warrant a place in an all time New Zealand XI by the end of their careers, or will there just be room for one?

Both easy.

 

[Coronis]

Both easy.

Who would Taylor come in for though?

 

[harsh.ag]

Turner can open with one of Wright and Sutcliffe. Williamson at 3, Crowe at 4, Taylor at 5.

 

[watson]

Turner can open with one of Wright and Sutcliffe. Williamson at 3, Crowe at 4, Taylor at 5.

Can't leave out Donnelly

 

[harsh.ag]

Can't leave out Donnelly

Of course one can

 

[AndyZaltzHair]

Turner
Dempster
Williamson
Crowe
Donnelly
Reid
Hadlee
Vettori
Smith
Bond
Cowie

 

[ankitj]

Picking an ATG XI varies depending on the scenario chosen. So if we assume;

1. ATG XI vs 'parallel Universe' ATG XI
2. 7 Test series that must be won at all costs
3. Unknown random playing conditions ranging from uncovered pre-WW1 pitches to Headingly green tops and Delhi dust bowls. That is, all contingencies.

Then I would pick;

01. Jack Hobbs
02. Barry Richards
03. Don Bradman
04. Sachin Tendulkar
05. Garry Sobers
06. Keith Miller
07. Adam Gilchrist +
08. Richie Benaud*
09. Richard Hadlee
10. Wilfred Rhodes
11. Malcolm Marshall

How can you not have Barnes in a possible sticky wicket scenario?

 

[smash84]

How can you not have Barnes in a possible sticky wicket scenario?

and you better pick one of Wasim or Imran to get the reverse swing going on the dusty roads of Mars

 

[watson]

How can you not have Barnes in a possible sticky wicket scenario?

Rhodes was better on 'sticky wickets'.

 

[Red]

Warner
Trumper
Bradman
G.Chappell
Miller
Harvey
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath

 

[Malleeboy]

Surely Miller at 6 and Harvey at 5?

My list...

Hayden
Lawry - Plenty of dash in the rest of line up, need an accumulator (Warner might replace him in the next 5 years but Simpson could easily fit in as well)
Bradman
Ponting
Harvey
Miller
Gilchrist
Davidson ~Leftie for variety and strengthens the tail
Lindwall
Warne
McGrath

 

[honestbharani]

My non Bradman Test XI -


Gavaskar
Hayden
Richards
Lara
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist
Imran
Warne
Wasim
Murali

 

[Gob]

Warner
Trumper
Bradman
G.Chappell
Miller
Harvey
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath

this is like the 10th Aust AT team you picked

 

[Flem274*]

Can't leave out Donnelly

class player but he played less than 10 tests and ditched NZ for County Cricket (understandable).

The only players I include with minimal tests are Cowie and Bond, though tbh the number of kiwis with 50 or more tests is pretty bad and limited mainly to players from my lifetime.

Glenn Turner
Bert Sutcliffe
Adorable Future Test Captain Big Daddy Kane and His Gold Chain
Martin Crowe
Ross the Boss
John R. Reid
Brendon McCullum version 1 (wk)
Richard Hadlee
Bruce Taylor
Shane Bond
Jack Cowie

Reid takes the spin duties with Dan the Man coming in for Bruce Taylor if required, though come to think of it Bruce Taylor had a lot of his success on decks not suited to pace bowling.

Dempster and Donnelly sound like they were awesome but miss out.

 

[Flem274*]

Straya

Keith Miller
Don Bradman
Ricky Ponting
Greg Chappell
Allan Border (c)
Steve Waugh
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Alan Davidson
Shane Warne
Dennis Lillee
Glenn McGrath

Miller pinch hits and Bradman opens with him because it would be fun and allows the middle order I wanted.

Poms

Jack Hobbs
Graham Gooch
Wally Hammond
Kevin Pietersen
Joe Root
Ian Botham
Matt Prior (wk)
Andrew Flintoff
Harold Larwood
Fred Trueman
Jim Laker

I just want to see that English side play tbh. Much more interesting than picking England by the book.

 

[Lillian Thomson]

Boycott
Cook
Compton
Barrington
Cowdrey
Botham
Knott
Snow
Trueman
Tyson
Underwood

 

[Gob]

class player but he played less than 10 tests and ditched NZ for County Cricket (understandable).

The only players I include with minimal tests are Cowie and Bond, though tbh the number of kiwis with 50 or more tests is pretty bad and limited mainly to players from my lifetime.

Glenn Turner
Bert Sutcliffe
Adorable Future Test Captain Big Daddy Kane and His Gold Chain
Martin Crowe
Ross the Boss
John R. Reid
Brendon McCullum version 1 (wk)
Richard Hadlee
Bruce Taylor
Shane Bond
Jack Cowie

Reid takes the spin duties with Dan the Man coming in for Bruce Taylor if required, though come to think of it Bruce Taylor had a lot of his success on decks not suited to pace bowling.

Dempster and Donnelly sound like they were awesome but miss out.

know that he is bowling poo atm but Boult should be there

 

[Red]

this is like the 10th Aust AT team you picked

Could you compile them all for me and we'll analyse the changes I've made?

 

[Coronis]

1. V. Trumper
2. B. Simpson
3. D. Bradman
4. G. Chappell
5. K. Miller
6. N. Harvey
7 . A. Gilchrist
8. S. Warne/ R. Lindwall
9. D. Lillee
10. B. O'Reilly
11. G. McGrath

Warner
Trumper
Bradman
G.Chappell
Miller
Harvey
Gilchrist
Warne
Lillee
O'Reilly
McGrath

The only thing you've changed in 3 years is Warner for Simpson and sticking with Warne over Lindwall.

 

[Red]

The only thing you've changed in 3 years is Warner for Simpson and sticking with Warne over Lindwall.

Yeh, that's not too bad I reckon. I'd still consider Lindwall over either O'Reilly or Warne in some situations.

2nd XI

Lawry
Morris
Ponting
Macartney
S.Waugh
Border
Healy
Davidson
Lindwall
CTB Turner
Grimmett