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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

kyear2

International Coach
Like I said, its not the primary or secondary concern or consideration.

The primary concern was to best build a team around having both the spinners.

Thinking on it more, Miller is the ideal choice. He was somewhat of a reluctant bowler iirc, this team would allow him to have a reduced bowling load and focus more on moving his batting towards his domestic level hopefully. Plus he was an excellent allround fielder and often fielded in the slips when not bowling.

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Murali
McGrath

If someone is truly that concerned about the tail they can add in Hadlee but its eh. Like I believe I said in a thread re: Tendulkar and Sobers, I would also consider there to be a small but clear gap between McGrath and Hadlee. Just to reiterate, you wouldn’t go wrong with choosing either of them in either of those comparisons, and realistically there’s not going to be much difference. (Unless you’re playing NZ)

I also believe there is a small but clear gap between McGrath and Hadlee and believe that the former would be more beneficial on more surfaces and conditions.

Personally wouldn't include Miller, and don't think he's the quality batsman needed at 6. It ridiculously weakens the batting, imo.

In decent to helpful conditions and not over burdened and turned into the stock bowler, Sobers was more than useful. His production in the ROW series was instructive and that was at the burnt out end to his career.

Not weakening the batting to facilitate the two spinners, not when part of their appeal is being that they can bowl extended spells and long periods, and Murali, even with the new(ish) ball.

With regards to not being a primary concern. I agree that I'm not choosing my no. 10 batsman based on his he can bat. If that's a consideration or being consistently relied upon, you have far bigger issues.
That doesn't apply for the other thing. With an attack of Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee and Warne (your standard attack), it doesn't work if you don't have the keeper and slip catchers to support them.

And this has been borne out in history by similar scenarios and selections, well by the good teams at least. It can't be an afterthought.
Sobers was elite, so was Richards(V), not to mention Hammond, Chappell etc. who not only took almost everything offered, but created half chances as well. Richards(B) and yes, Miller, was just below them, but Warne was even below them, and not someone I would trust there at said level. That's before I even get into the Tendulkar discussion.
 

Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Captain
Like I said, its not the primary or secondary concern or consideration.

The primary concern was to best build a team around having both the spinners.

Thinking on it more, Miller is the ideal choice. He was somewhat of a reluctant bowler iirc, this team would allow him to have a reduced bowling load and focus more on moving his batting towards his domestic level hopefully. Plus he was an excellent allround fielder and often fielded in the slips when not bowling.

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Murali
McGrath

If someone is truly that concerned about the tail they can add in Hadlee but its eh. Like I believe I said in a thread re: Tendulkar and Sobers, I would also consider there to be a small but clear gap between McGrath and Hadlee. Just to reiterate, you wouldn’t go wrong with choosing either of them in either of those comparisons, and realistically there’s not going to be much difference. (Unless you’re playing NZ)
Why Miller over Imran? Sure, Miller was a better batter but Imran was a better package isn't it
 

Srinath P

School Boy/Girl Captain
That person would have a reduced bowling role and hold greater reliability batting at 6.

Have to slide towards the better batter there.
You can also push Gilchrist up to six. Imran at 7 and Hadlee at 8 is enough batting IMO, and then you have Marshall and Warne too.
 

Coronis

International Coach
Why Miller over Imran? Sure, Miller was a better batter but Imran was a better package isn't it
It was also slightly to placate someone’s fielding fears.

I also believe there is a small but clear gap between McGrath and Hadlee and believe that the former would be more beneficial on more surfaces and conditions.

Personally wouldn't include Miller, and don't think he's the quality batsman needed at 6. It ridiculously weakens the batting, imo.

In decent to helpful conditions and not over burdened and turned into the stock bowler, Sobers was more than useful. His production in the ROW series was instructive and that was at the burnt out end to his career.

Not weakening the batting to facilitate the two spinners, not when part of their appeal is being that they can bowl extended spells and long periods, and Murali, even with the new(ish) ball.

With regards to not being a primary concern. I agree that I'm not choosing my no. 10 batsman based on his he can bat. If that's a consideration or being consistently relied upon, you have far bigger issues.
That doesn't apply for the other thing. With an attack of Marshall, McGrath, Hadlee and Warne (your standard attack), it doesn't work if you don't have the keeper and slip catchers to support them.

And this has been borne out in history by similar scenarios and selections, well by the good teams at least. It can't be an afterthought.
Sobers was elite, so was Richards(V), not to mention Hammond, Chappell etc. who not only took almost everything offered, but created half chances as well. Richards(B) and yes, Miller, was just below them, but Warne was even below them, and not someone I would trust there at said level. That's before I even get into the Tendulkar discussion.
Team already has Bradman and Gilchrist. They can afford to have a weaker batsman who would be an amazing 3rd pacer. They cannot afford to have a Garry Sobers as a 3rd pacer.
 

sayon basak

International Captain
Here's 2 by ChatGPT, I think @Coronis will like these more:

Team 1:

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott+
Imran Khan*
Malcolm Marshall
Mutthiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes


Team 2:

Sunil Gavaskar
Herbert Sutcliffe
George Headley
Graeme Pollock
Steve Smith
Keith Miller
Les Ames+
Mike Procter
Richard Hadlee
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath
I really want AI to take over.
 

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