The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

[Thala_0710]

So we were having fun with google AI in another thread so I asked it to make an ATG XI and a second XI to play them

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Gilchrist+
Warne
Marshall
Muralitharan
McGrath

vs

Hutton
Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Kallis
Imran
Flower+
Wasim
Ambrose
Steyn
Barnes

Team 1 has only 10 men, but it has Bradman so it still might win

 

[capt_Luffy]

So we were having fun with google AI in another thread so I asked it to make an ATG XI and a second XI to play them

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Gilchrist+
Warne
Marshall
Muralitharan
McGrath

vs

Hutton
Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Kallis
Imran
Flower+
Wasim
Ambrose
Steyn
Barnes

It's ****ing good actually..... Better than most expert's teams actually

 

[capt_Luffy]

Team 1 has only 10 men, but it has Bradman so it still might win

I think it also had Sobers which Coronis missed. That will make sense in too many ways

 

[Srinath P]

So we were having fun with google AI in another thread so I asked it to make an ATG XI and a second XI to play them

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Gilchrist+
Warne
Marshall
Muralitharan
McGrath

vs

Hutton
Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Kallis
Imran
Flower+
Wasim
Ambrose
Steyn
Barnes

Damn, that's very good for AI

 

[capt_Luffy]

Here's 2 by ChatGPT, I think @Coronis will like these more:

Team 1:

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott+
Imran Khan*
Malcolm Marshall
Mutthiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes


Team 2:

Sunil Gavaskar
Herbert Sutcliffe
George Headley
Graeme Pollock
Steve Smith
Keith Miller
Les Ames+
Mike Procter
Richard Hadlee
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath

 

[Thala_0710]

Here's 2 by ChatGPT, I think @Coronis will like these more:

Team 1:

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott+
Imran Khan*
Malcolm Marshall
Mutthiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes


Team 2:

Sunil Gavaskar
Herbert Sutcliffe
George Headley
Graeme Pollock
Steve Smith
Keith Miller
Les Ames+
Mike Procter
Richard Hadlee
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath

Viv, Gilly, Lara and Warne missing out on both. Wow.

 

[govinda indian fan]

My atg xi
Jack hobbs
Len hutton
Don Bradman
Sachin tendulkar
Viv Richards
Gary sobers
Adam Gilchrist
Malcolm Marshall
Wasim akram
Shane warne
Dale styen
12th man)- muttiah Muralitharan

 

[Coronis]

Team 1 has only 10 men, but it has Bradman so it still might win

Sorry it also had Sobers

 

[Coronis]

Here's 2 by ChatGPT, I think @Coronis will like these more:

Team 1:

Jack Hobbs
Len Hutton
Don Bradman
Sachin Tendulkar
Wally Hammond
Garry Sobers
Alan Knott+
Imran Khan*
Malcolm Marshall
Mutthiah Muralitharan
Sydney Barnes


Team 2:

Sunil Gavaskar
Herbert Sutcliffe
George Headley
Graeme Pollock
Steve Smith
Keith Miller
Les Ames+
Mike Procter
Richard Hadlee
Bill O'Reilly
Glenn McGrath

lol some interesting ones there with Procter and Ames

 

[kyear2]

So we were having fun with google AI in another thread so I asked it to make an ATG XI and a second XI to play them

Hobbs
Gavaskar
Bradman
Tendulkar
Richards
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Warne
Marshall
Muralitharan
McGrath

The idea of using Warne and Muralitharan with Sobers as the 3rd seamer is actually kinda underrated and quite possibly the best Imaginable combination.

Covers almost every condition. May want to use Hammond as a 12th man in case another reserve paver is needed.

Sir Leonard Hutton
Barry Richards^
Sir Donald Bradman ©
Sir I.V.A. Richards^
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Garfield Sobers^³
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Malcolm Marshall ¹
Shane Warne ⁵
Muttiah Muralitharan ⁴
Glenn McGrath ²

Walter Hammond

Me personally though, I still prefer the 3rd seamer, but both have their merits

 

[Coronis]

The idea of using Warne and Muralitharan with Sobers as the 3rd seamer is actually kinda underrated and quite possibly the best Imaginable combination.

Covers almost every condition. May want to use Hammond as a 12th man in case another reserve paver is needed.

Sir Leonard Hutton
Barry Richards^
Sir Donald Bradman ©
Sir I.V.A. Richards^
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Garfield Sobers^³
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Malcolm Marshall ¹
Shane Warne ⁵
Muttiah Muralitharan ⁴
Glenn McGrath ²

Walter Hammond

Me personally though, I still prefer the 3rd seamer, but both have their merits

I have always said I’d always love to have Warne and Murali spinning it either way from each end.

I think if I were to do it I’d slightly change up my XI tho.

Sutcliffe
Hobbs
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Murali
McGrath

Miller and Imran would be the two I’d consider for the 11th player. I don’t have confidence in Sobers at first change in an ATG context. The two spinners are unnecessary no doubt but that’s how I would do it to have both there. Bradman obviously compensates enough for the batting loss.

 

[capt_Luffy]

I have always said I’d always love to have Warne and Murali spinning it either way from each end.

I think if I were to do it I’d slightly change up my XI tho.

Sutcliffe
Hobbs
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Murali
McGrath

Miller and Imran would be the two I’d consider for the 11th player. I don’t have confidence in Sobers at first change in an ATG context. The two spinners are unnecessary no doubt but that’s how I would do it to have both there. Bradman obviously compensates enough for the batting loss.

I think Hadlee over McGrath will be a welcome addition to really strengthen the tail here

 

[Srinath P]

I have always said I’d always love to have Warne and Murali spinning it either way from each end.

I think if I were to do it I’d slightly change up my XI tho.

Sutcliffe
Hobbs
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sobers
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Murali
McGrath

Miller and Imran would be the two I’d consider for the 11th player. I don’t have confidence in Sobers at first change in an ATG context. The two spinners are unnecessary no doubt but that’s how I would do it to have both there. Bradman obviously compensates enough for the batting loss.

My XI is like the exact same, I think I have Hutton for Sutcliffe and it's the same after that.

 

[Coronis]

I think Hadlee over McGrath will be a welcome addition to really strengthen the tail here

Meh not really worried about that.

 

[kyear2]

My XI is like the exact same, I think I have Hutton for Sutcliffe and it's the same after that.

I know that apparently I'm the only one who cares, but the only above decent catcher on that team is literally Sobers.

Who's reliably taking those catchers off the pacers?

 

[kyear2]

I think Hadlee over McGrath will be a welcome addition to really strengthen the tail here

The tail is plenty strong enough.

 

[capt_Luffy]

The tail is plenty strong enough.

With playing 5 frontline bowlers, I think the no. 8 being a Hadlee level bat will be a very welcome update, with Marshall and Warne going one down. Especially since I don't necessarily think McGrath was any better a bowler by any pronounced margin really.

 

[Coronis]

I know that apparently I'm the only one who cares, but the only above decent catcher on that team is literally Sobers.

Who's reliably taking those catchers off the pacers?

Apart fromSobers they are good fielders actually. Not great fielders but thats not a pre requisite, nor the first concern.

 

[kyear2]

Apart fromSobers they are good fielders actually. Not great fielders but thats not a pre requisite, nor the first concern.

We all have our preferences and want the team to be as strong as possible.

Warne is the one you hide, nor your 2nd best guy. Having him and Sachin in your cordon isn't ideal, my only point.

I'm reminded of a sniper I read.



No, not all of those guys even bear consideration, but there are some in that category that do, and accordingly could and should(?) be.

 

[Coronis]

We all have our preferences and want the team to be as strong as possible.

Warne is the one you hide, nor your 2nd best guy. Having him and Sachin in your cordon isn't ideal, my only point.

I'm reminded of a sniper I read.

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No, not all of those guys even bear consideration, but there are some in that category that do, and accordingly could and should(?) be.

Like I said, its not the primary or secondary concern or consideration.

The primary concern was to best build a team around having both the spinners.

Thinking on it more, Miller is the ideal choice. He was somewhat of a reluctant bowler iirc, this team would allow him to have a reduced bowling load and focus more on moving his batting towards his domestic level hopefully. Plus he was an excellent allround fielder and often fielded in the slips when not bowling.

Hobbs
Sutcliffe
Bradman*
Tendulkar
Sobers
Miller
Gilchrist+
Marshall
Warne
Murali
McGrath

If someone is truly that concerned about the tail they can add in Hadlee but its eh. Like I believe I said in a thread re: Tendulkar and Sobers, I would also consider there to be a small but clear gap between McGrath and Hadlee. Just to reiterate, you wouldn’t go wrong with choosing either of them in either of those comparisons, and realistically there’s not going to be much difference. (Unless you’re playing NZ)