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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Victor Ian

International Coach
I think people unfairly think McGrath's batting is **** when he was quite capable of hanging around when it mattered, like someone approaching a milestone. But it didn't matter when he could just get out and onto the field with Warne to rout the opposition most times.
 

Victor Ian

International Coach
then there is this...


i cant coroberate the stats though as cricinfo doesnt list these other comps.
 

capt_Luffy

Cricketer Of The Year
1. Think you missed the point. What I'm saying is that if I have Hadlee in my team already, the need for the extra batting is minimal and if I believe Steyn is the better bowler, I'm free to go with him. That's it.

2. If Bumrah does get to the point where he is in that discussion and surpasses Imran in skill and record. You're still going with Imran for reverse swing over a better performer because he can't bat?
1. No it doesn't. Imran is still a better bat than Steyn. Him batting at 9 instead of 8 all of a sudden doesn't diminishes the need for his batting. Refer to my Sobers example. You got a team with a great 5 man bowling attack and 3 great slippers, would you take Sachin ahead of him?

2. To surpass Imran as an overall cricketer the level Bumrah needs to reach I can't see him reaching practically.
 

kyear2

International Coach
kyear2's point is that if A is a better bowler than B, then A should be automatically included even if B bats like Bradman.

Secondary disciplines do not count (unless its Sobers, whose three styles of crap bowling will count).
Aren't you acting pissy, lol.

It's actually hilarious.
 

kyear2

International Coach
I will say that in my XI my first thought is picking the best specialists - then I look at the team balance and see if anything needs changing. Fortunately for me it didn’t.

Gilchrist is the exception, he was chosen for his secondary skill.
And that's more or less what I do.

Gilly for both, because the position is inherently, and has been for a while the 2nd all rounder position.

My 2nd opener and 3rd seamer may not be everyone's first choice but they bring something unique to the table in addition to their quality.
 

kyear2

International Coach
And that is fine, my first XI probably has a significant overlap with yours, except I would have Imran instead of McGrath, and I might have Sunny and Viv in there instead of Sutcliffe and Hammond.

The point is, I don't think making those changes would significantly weaken my side compared to yours. It might just make it stronger. Batting down to XI.
No one said it did.

But the fact is that you look for grievances.

I said to Subz, there's nothing wrong with his trio, it's just as viable as the others. All I said was that it wasn't mine, and if you want the best possible combination of bowlers while still having a strong no. 8 and reverse, the option of Hadlee, Marshall, Steyn exists.

No where did I say his option wasn't viable.
 

kyear2

International Coach
1. No it doesn't. Imran is still a better bat than Steyn. Him batting at 9 instead of 8 all of a sudden doesn't diminishes the need for his batting. Refer to my Sobers example. You got a team with a great 5 man bowling attack and 3 great slippers, would you take Sachin ahead of him?

2. To surpass Imran as an overall cricketer the level Bumrah needs to reach I can't see him reaching practically.
You do know that not everyone believes in this bat deep thing like you do. And this has nothing to do with Imran at this point.

We see that differently, God knows we see the keeping thing even more differently. Not everything is covered up by batting deeper.

Yes I have Imran rated ahead of him, but I think Steyn is clearly a better bowler than him, and if I have Hadlee, Maco and Shane, the batting isn't a mess. That's all that meant.

Re Sobers and Sachin. I have them basically tied, you don't and fair play to you. I also don't see the scenario of a great 5 man attack because we disagree on that as well. Additionally, there aren't three 2nd slip guys who are better than him, and certainly none who can bat as well as him.


And I'm going to finish up with this, because some of you take this as a personal affront.

The thing that makes a Sobers unique among the all rounders, and especially in this context, and this goes back to what Subz was saying about Kallis. He can make this team as a batsman alone, what's then added to it is that he is also the best option at two other critical spots.

Gilchrist is similar because he's the only world class keeper who's been a world class batsman.

And to touch on something from the other thread, they might not even be the 2nd name of my team sheet if I were writing one, that would be my opening bowler who I believe is the best who has ever done it, That's why he's my number 3.

You see it differently, and that's fine too.
 

kyear2

International Coach
Dude, you're the one who was crying that Richie was biased because he didn't put your your favorite player in his XI..talk about pissy :p
I saw that you responded and thought, let's see if this one is something thoughtful or actually on topic. But of course not, just creating grievances and bitching as usual.

You do know you have the option to ignore my posts, it's just sad at this point 🤣
 

smash84

The Tiger King
I saw that you responded and thought, let's see if this one is something thoughtful or actually on topic. But of course not, just creating grievances and bitching as usual.

You do know you have the option to ignore my posts, it's just sad at this point 🤣
Why would I ignore your posts and let you freely poison the forum?

Besides, it's almost fun pointing out your inconsistencies and contradictions in most of your posts.....ALMOST
 

smash84

The Tiger King
yeah. he held 3rd highest ever 11th position score and saw a few centuries home from the other end. steve waugh coached him in batting and made him much more hang aroundable.
McGrath was courtney walsh levels of inept with the bat. You should go back and watch his batting. His batting avg of 7.36 flatters him.
 

smash84

The Tiger King
yeah. he held 3rd highest ever 11th position score and saw a few centuries home from the other end. steve waugh coached him in batting and made him much more hang aroundable.
Ok, I realized a bit late that you're taking the piss :p

McG's batting average is even less than Courtney Walsh's :blink:
 

Coronis

International Coach
tbf iirc there was some discussion somewhere on here a little while ago about McGrath improving his batting mid career via Steve Waugh
 

OverratedSanity

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tbf iirc there was some discussion somewhere on here a little while ago about McGrath improving his batting mid career via Steve Waugh
Sure but come on, it'd be like if someone started gassing up Tendulkar's bowling in a comparison with Sobers. Actually,now that I think about it, that has way more validity. Sachin actually bowled valuable spells in some of our most famous wins in tests (particularly vs Australia).

Gassing up Mcgraths batting smh I can't with this place sometimes :lol:
 

kyear2

International Coach
Why would I ignore your posts and let you freely poison the forum?

Besides, it's almost fun pointing out your inconsistencies and contradictions in most of your posts.....ALMOST
Me poison the forum, because I don't agree with you?

kyear2's point is that if A is a better bowler than B, then A should be automatically included even if B bats like Bradman.

Secondary disciplines do not count (unless its Sobers, whose three styles of crap bowling will count).
How is this adding anything besides your petty and long past due grievances?

And you act like everyone on the forum agrees with you, even though we had an entire poll where it was asked, including batting who would make up your AT attack. Imran finished 4th with Wasim behind the same McGrath.

But you attack me for having the same opinion because I don't view him the same way you do.

I don't have to see things the same way you do, and why the **** would you want me to. It's been over a decade that you've been on my back for one single view that we see differently. Please give it a break.

Now we're back to calling Sobers's bowling crap. Yes I get it, you don't think their secondary skills are even comparable, Sobers's bowling being crap and all, but as obvious as it seems to you, not every one has to come to the same conclusion.
But don't let that stop you from trying to bully me till I change my mind.
 

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