CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
West Indies Test XI is Strong no doubt about it. They ruled cricket for 15 years. Adding few players will make them even more stronger.
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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread
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Coronis
International Coach
Doesn’t make them unbeatable nor without weakness.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
My West Indies XI that has : 1) Gayle 2) Greenidge 3) Richards 4) Lara 5) Lloyd 6) Sobers 7) Dujon 8) Marshall 9) Garner 10) Ambrose 11) Gibbs. It has no weakness to win a match you need right players. 3 amazing fast bowlers and 3 spinners Gibbs, sobers and Gayle - bowling is very lethal. Batting that has Richards, Sobers and Lara in the middle order. A Great Captain Lloyd. A athletic wicket keeper, 2 dashing openers. What else you want ?
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
1999 World Cup Pakistan lost only due to poor leadership of Wasim Akram. Look at all matches Pakistan played their bowlers did not allow any team to cross 230 in group matches. They lost only 3 matches - Bangladesh due to batting failure, India due to batting failure and South Africa - honestly South Africa was lucky to win this match as Pakistan was dominating the match most of the time. Australia only team which gave a tough fight to them but lost it. In Final Wasim Akram was told not to bat first as there was moisture on the pitch that suits bowling. Some say it was match fixing. See the video of Aamir Sohail on 1999 World Cup.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Just by adding Flat track hero Bradman from 1930s and assuming Australia will beat other teams is a myth.
Coronis
International Coach
Weaknesses compared to Australia: lack of a second great opener, lack of a top tier spinner, lack of a quality batting keeper.
my personal Australian XI:
Simpson
Hayden
Bradman*
Smith
Chappell
Border
Gilchrist+
Lindwall
Davidson
Warne
McGrath
Ponting, Waugh and Lillee are also great players who can sub in, Miller also.
Two great openers, one to hold the fort and one to attack, the greatest ever batsman in the middle order, the greatest batsman of the modern era, and Chappell and Border (also great leaders). The GOAT keeper-batsman, 3 excellent pacers and one of the two greatest spinners of all time. Lets not forget Simpson, Chappell and Border are all on at least the same level as Gayle as back up bowlers - or I could add Waugh as a genuine upgrade. The big X factor is Sobers - he was generally far more effective as a pace bowler fyi - but he’s not enough himself to overcome the other shortcomings relative to Australia. Windies do have a superior pace attack, but Warne is far superior to Gibbs, and Australia’s batting is also superior, especially with Lloyd and Dujon.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Yeahhhhhhh..... I love Lloyd and all, but he isn't making into an ATG WI team ahead of The Black Don. Also, Walcott kinda makes the keeper-batsman difference much thinner.
Fuller Pilch
Hall of Fame Member
1992 World Cup Pakistan only won due to the washout in the pool match vs England and Crowe getting injured in the semifinal. SA has far more to be aggrieved about from 1999 than Pakistan.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Dujon was a good No 7 batsmen averaging 30+, Gayle is not a bad opener what do you mean by greatness ? Gayle is a successful modern opener who averaged 40+ in 100 Test Matches. Clyde Walcott suffered from back problem after 15 tests he is not as flexible as Dujon who had the experience to keeping wickets to their best bowlers. Clive Lloyd as Captain was very good batsmen. Scored more than 5000 runs with an average of 50+ in 1970s and 1980s and also he can take better decisions compared to George Headley and ViV Richards and Lara can concentrate on batting without any leadership responsibilities. Don’t look just at numbers and judge the team there are many other factors that play a role in making the team strong. When you have Gibbs accompanied by Sobers and Gayle it’s a good spin department.
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CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Pakistan became underrated due to that tied match in semi final between AUS and RSA. In Group match Pakistan defeated Australia and they almost about to defeat South Africa who were little lucky to win that match. South Africa was lacking a good spinner. Pakistan had the best bowling lineup with Shoaib in great form, Wasim swinging in English conditions, Saqlain a great spinner and Azar, Razzaq playing a good supporting role.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
you can see all 5 bowlers of pakistan were leading wicket takers in top 11 bowlers of 1999 tournament. South Africa was relying too much on Klusener. They were both strong teams i am not undermining South Africa but Pakistan had the strongest bowling in the tournament. the tactical mistake of Pakistan to bat first in final cost them the World Cup.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Pakistan had the superior bowling, but SA had the superior batting and ofcourse incomparably superior fielding.
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
Agreed Pakistan was little lucky to win in 1992 World Cup. 1999 team was much stronger. 1992 World Cup was New Zealand's World Cup.
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CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
PAK vs SA Cricket Scorecard, 2nd Super at Nottingham, June 05, 1999
Live Cricket Scoreboard: Get Pakistan vs South Africa 2nd Super, cricket scorecard, ICC World Cup 1999 dated June 05, 1999.
www.espncricinfo.com
CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
both were strong and equal, just few tactical decisions can swing the chances in either way. Problem is both are vulnerable to match fixing. We don't know if they helped Australia win the World Cup. In England by fixing matches they can make pounds so we can never know. Australians doesn't need to do match fixing as they are already from a rich country. You can see players from both these teams were caught for match fixing.
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CricketFan90s
State Vice-Captain
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Let me try and make an All Time World Cup team with one player from each Cup:
1. Imran Khan (1987)
2. Glenn Turner (1975)
- Sachin Tendulkar (2003)
- Martin Crowe (1992) (c)
- Kumar Sangakkara (2011) (wk)
- Viv Richards (1979)
- Aravinda De Silva (1996)
- Shakib Al Hasan (2019)
- Lance Klusner (1999)
- Kapil Dev (1983)
- Mitchell Starc (2015)
- Mohammad Shami (2023)
- Mutthiah Muralitharan (2007)
1. Imran Khan (1987)
2. Glenn Turner (1975)
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Coronis
International Coach
Yeah Dujon averaged 30… Gilchrist averaged 47. Gayle was a good opener, but he’s not on the level of Simpson, Hayden or Greenidge. Sure Lloyd’s stats look decent compared to Australia’s bats or the rest of the Windies if you cut out a third of his career, but so do many batsmen’s lol. Sure, Sobers is ok, and Gayle is there, but it still doesn’t compare.
Why can’t you accept that Australia have better openers, a better middle order, a better keeper bat and a better spin attack? Stop digging in and trying to irrationally claim your Windies team is better and accept you made a mistake.
capt_Luffy
Cricketer Of The Year
Imo, WI middle order is better than the Australian one:
Bradman
Smith
Chappell
Miller
Headley
Lara
Richards
Sobers