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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

Coronis

Coronis

Cricketer Of The Year
In general re: slow over rates - from some articles and graphics I’ve checked out, it seems little has actually changed since the 70’s/80’s. Its surprising then, that we have so much discourse about the subject, a lot of it coming from former players from that era or even more recently.

From 2017:

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From 2020:
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I’d be surprised if its changed much in the past few years.

(tests weren’t split pre and post wwi as the author wanted comparable numbers across all selected periods) (for those interested, in this decade, 85% of tests have a result)
 
Starfighter

Starfighter

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Coronis said:
In general re: slow over rates - from some articles and graphics I’ve checked out, it seems little has actually changed since the 70’s/80’s. Its surprising then, that we have so much discourse about the subject, a lot of it coming from former players from that era or even more recently.

From 2017:

From 2020:

I’d be surprised if its changed much in the past few years.

(tests weren’t split pre and post wwi as the author wanted comparable numbers across all selected periods) (for those interested, in this decade, 85% of tests have a result)
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Well I got this specifically for the Ashes:
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P

peterhrt

U19 Cricketer
In the past batsmen were assessed on two basic criteria: overall run-scoring and technical proficiency in all conditions, which included the ability to score runs in the worst of those conditions. The further back in time, the more the balance moves towards the latter, as bad pitches become more common.

Nowadays very little professional cricket is played on bad pitches. The focus has shifted to overall records, tempered by checklists by host country. This tends to be applied retrospectively to players from the past when the opinion-forming process was different.

According to the press, Bradman's position as all-time number one has only been seriously challenged by three men, all of whom preceded him. Nobody since has been in the discussion, apart from an Indian-led campaign around fifteen years ago to install Tendulkar as king.
 
CricketFan90s

CricketFan90s

First Class Debutant
South Africa (T: 214 runs from 50 ovs)
BATTING RBM4s6sSR
Gary Kirsten b Warne1842591042.85
Herschelle Gibbs b Warne3036516083.33
Daryll Cullinan run out (Bevan)630390020.00
Hansie Cronje (c)c ME Waugh b Warne022000.00
Jacques Kallis c SR Waugh b Warne53921193057.60
Jonty Rhodes c Bevan b Reiffel4355702178.18
Shaun Pollock b Fleming20142711142.85
Lance Klusener not out31163241193.75
Mark Boucher †b McGrath510130050.00
Steve Elworthy run out (Reiffel/McGrath)11300100.00
Allan Donald run out (ME Waugh/Fleming/†Gilchrist)00700-
Extras(lb 1, w 5)6
TOTAL49.4 Ov (RR: 4.28)213
1999 World Cup Semi Final defeat for South Africa who has to be blamed ? They had 9 Batsmen who can bat from Kirsten to Boucher surprisingly all failed to send RSA to final.
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Regular
CricketFan90s said:
South Africa (T: 214 runs from 50 ovs)
BATTINGRBM4s6sSR
Gary Kirstenb Warne1842591042.85
Herschelle Gibbsb Warne3036516083.33
Daryll Cullinanrun out (Bevan)630390020.00
Hansie Cronje (c)c ME Waugh b Warne022000.00
Jacques Kallisc SR Waugh b Warne53921193057.60
Jonty Rhodesc Bevan b Reiffel4355702178.18
Shaun Pollockb Fleming20142711142.85
Lance Klusenernot out31163241193.75
Mark Boucher †b McGrath510130050.00
Steve Elworthyrun out (Reiffel/McGrath)11300100.00
Allan Donaldrun out (ME Waugh/Fleming/†Gilchrist)00700-
Extras(lb 1, w 5)6
TOTAL49.4 Ov (RR: 4.28)213
1999 World Cup Semi Final defeat for South Africa who has to be blamed ? They had 9 Batsmen who can bat from Kirsten to Boucher surprisingly all failed to send RSA to final.
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Donald
 
CricketFan90s

CricketFan90s

First Class Debutant
Saeed Anwar b Fleming1517263088.23
Wajahatullah Wasti c ME Waugh b McGrath11420007.14
Abdul Razzaq c SR Waugh b Moody1751672033.33
Ijaz Ahmed b Warne2246792047.82
Inzamam-ul-Haq c †Gilchrist b Reiffel1533470045.45
Moin Khan †c †Gilchrist b Warne612160050.00
Shahid Afridi lbw b Warne1316222081.25
Azhar Mahmood c & b Moody817321047.05
Wasim Akram (c)c SR Waugh b Warne820230140.00
Saqlain Mushtaq c Ponting b McGrath0410000.00
Shoaib Akhtar not out2680033.33
Extras(lb 10, nb 2, w 13)25
TOTAL39 Ov (RR: 3.38)132

Same Story with Pakistan if they still managed a score of 230 they could have won the match probably. Bowling of Pakistan was the Best in this tournament : Akthar, Mushtaq, Akram, Mahmood, Afridi, Razzaq
 
capt_Luffy

capt_Luffy

International Regular
CricketFan90s said:
9 Batsmen and 6 Bowlers : Pollock, Elworthy, Donald, Klusener, Kallis ,Cronje and RSA still lost the match. Australia was 3rd strongest team in this world cup after South Africa and Pakistan.
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I mean, Australia is always deadly in the knock outs and SA chockers. Like, even in this WC; India were the strongest team, our bowlers were rolling oppositions and batsmen scoring runs for fun. An argument could be made that Kohli and Shami had the best batting and bowling World Cups of all time; but we still loose.
 
CricketFan90s

CricketFan90s

First Class Debutant
Tournament 🏟 to Unite India and Pakistan into one Country. If India wins, Pakistan has to merge with India and If Pakistan wins they stay separated and India has to give away Jammu and Kashmir. Western Nations and United Nations supported this Proposal and 11 Match Series is Conducted. 5 Matches are scheduled in India, 5 Matches in Pakistan and 1 match in either of the 2 countries based on who is leading after 10 Matches.

All time Odi XI of Pakistan
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi
3) Babar Azam
4) Zaheer Abbas
5) Javed Miandad
6) Mohammad Rizwan+
7) Imran Khan (c)
8) Abdul Razzaq
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis.

All Time ODI XI of India
1) Rohit Sharma
2) Sachin Tendulkar
3) Sourav Ganguly
4) Virat Kohli
5) Yuvraj Singh
6) MS Dhoni+(c)
7) Kapil Dev
8) Ravindra Jadeja
9) Anil Kumble
10) Mohammad Shami
11) Jasprit Bumrah.
(Total 16 members squad).
Who will win this Prestigious Tournament and regain their territories ?

This India-Pakistan Tournament is covered by all channels in the World.
 
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Coronis

Coronis

Cricketer Of The Year
CricketFan90s said:
Tournament 🏟 to Unite India and Pakistan into one Country. If India wins, Pakistan has to merge with India and If Pakistan wins they stay separated and India has to give away Jammu and Kashmir. Western Nations and United Nations supported this Proposal and 11 Match Series is Conducted. 5 Matches are scheduled in India, 5 Matches in Pakistan and 1 match in either of the 2 countries based on who is leading after 10 Matches.

All time Odi XI of Pakistan
1) Saeed Anwar
2) Shahid Afridi
3) Babar Azam
4) Zaheer Abbas
5) Javed Miandad
6) Mohammad Rizwan+
7) Imran Khan (c)
8) Abdul Razzaq
9) Wasim Akram
10) Saqlain Mushtaq
11) Waqar Younis.

All Time ODI XI of India
1) Rohit Sharma
2) Sachin Tendulkar
3) Sourav Ganguly
4) Virat Kohli
5) Yuvraj Singh
6) MS Dhoni+(c)
7) Kapil Dev
8) Ravindra Jadeja
9) Anil Kumble
10) Mohammad Shami
11) Jasprit Bumrah.
(Total 16 members squad).
Who will win this Prestigious Tournament and regain their territories ?

This India-Pakistan Tournament is covered by all channels in the World.
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Just why
 
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