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The ATG Teams General arguing/discussing thread

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peterhrt

U19 Vice-Captain
Coronis said:
Runs per hour isn’t really the greatest measure especially when comparing to modern day players, or even players within those different pre modern eras, considering over rate changes.
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Back in 1951 there wasn't much data available on balls faced, nor much interest. Researchers like Charles Davis subsequently dug out old scorebooks to work out the information for Tests. Three of his Australian Test top 4 are the same as Brodribb's for first-class cricket.

We still don't know how many balls Jessop faced during most of his first-class innings. Only four batsmen have scored a hundred in an hour or less more than once. Arthur Carr and Constantine did it twice, Botham three times and Jessop on no fewer than 14 occasions.

A double century in 150 minutes or less has been achieved 15 times, including by usual suspects like Trumper, Macartney, Compton and Clive Lloyd. Nobody has done it more than once, apart from Jessop on four occasions.
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
peterhrt said:
Back in 1951 there wasn't much data available on balls faced, nor much interest. Researchers like Charles Davis subsequently dug out old scorebooks to work out the information for Tests. Three of his Australian Test top 4 are the same as Brodribb's for first-class cricket.

We still don't know how many balls Jessop faced during most of his first-class innings. Only four batsmen have scored a hundred in an hour or less more than once. Arthur Carr and Constantine did it twice, Botham three times and Jessop on no fewer than 14 occasions.

A double century in 150 minutes or less has been achieved 15 times, including by usual suspects like Trumper, Macartney, Compton and Clive Lloyd. Nobody has done it more than once, apart from Jessop on four occasions.
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Yeah I understand that minutes was the measure back then (for whatever reason), all I was saying was its not ideal for comparisons, either within or between eras. Even say runs per hour vs the Indian quartet or the Windies pacers of the time would have a massive disparity.

Even in that list you have for example Clem Hill, a quite aggressive batsman, ending up down with Kippax and Ponsford.
 
Red

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Just wondering, are official scorebooks for tests kept somewhere by someone as a formalised format? In an archive?
 
Red

Red

The normal awards that everyone else has
Does someone still score in an old school scorebook for tests or is it all digitised now?
 
Coronis

Coronis

International Coach
Red said:
Just wondering, are official scorebooks for tests kept somewhere by someone as a formalised format? In an archive?
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No clue if they’re actually kept anywhere. Charles Davis has done the most thorough analysis on the older ones and has details for them written on his website, with ball by ball analysis as well as partnerships and session overviews.


Red said:
Does someone still score in an old school scorebook for tests or is it all digitised now?
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I presume some individual purists who might keep their own records would do that at a game they were watching but I’d be pretty surprised if it wasn’t all digitized now.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
Red said:
Does someone still score in an old school scorebook for tests or is it all digitised now?
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AFAIK it's all digitised in NZ, but not so everywhere else. At least, it's certainly done by hand in Pakistan where betwixt the Tapal Tea hostage videos (the gunmen were probably reloading) they did a feature on the scorer who looked pissed that he was being distracted from it.
 
AndyZaltzHair

AndyZaltzHair

Hall of Fame Member
Cricketers turned politician XI

1. Sanath Jayasuriya
2, Gautam Gambhir
3. Frank Worrell
4. Azharuddin
5. Arjuna Ranatunga
6. Shakib Al Hasan
7. Hashan Tillakaratne +
8. Imran Khan
9. Learie Constantine
10. Manoj Prabhakar
11. Mashrafe Mortaza
 
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Patience and Accuracy+Gut

State Vice-Captain
Best Australian Xi to never play ODI’s

Trumper
Hill
Bradman*
Macartney
McCabe
Miller
Gregory
Lindwall
Oldfield+
Grimmett
O’Reilly

Batting is more important than Bowling in ODI’s but Grimmett >>> Benaud as a bowler.
 
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peterhrt

U19 Vice-Captain
Something else to bear in mind with Jessop is that during most of his career the ball had literally to be hit out of the ground to count as a six. Albert Trott's famous hit that struck the top of the Lord's pavilion on the full only counted as a four.

Ironically Jessop's presence could increase the likelihood of a draw with opposing captains reluctant to declare.
 
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