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The Ashes are coming home!

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
tooextracool said:
other than possibly strauss for hayden(and even that seems premature given strauss isnt proven yet), who else is proven good enough to replace the other aussies?
I think you could make a solid case for Harmison or Hoggard for Kasprowicz, given that Kasprowicz really only has a couple of good series to base his appeal on, which the other two can also claim. It's a close thing there though. Also, Graham Thorpe would certainly replace Michael Clarke. I think the rest of the side would be Australian, though.
 

simmy

International Regular
tooextracool said:
other than possibly strauss for hayden(and even that seems premature given strauss isnt proven yet), who else is proven good enough to replace the other aussies?
This is definitely a premature statement but on current form I would rather have any England test match seamer than Kaspo. Gillespie looked average today.

Harmison made was top of the world rankings for over a series... showing his class... I can safely say that Kaspo will never be as successful.

You could say that the test matches will prove how good the Aussies are... but... England will surprise you. It's fresher, younger and keener and if they dont win this Ashes series they could easily win the next.
 

simmy

International Regular
aussie said:
ahhhhh yes, but has Jon Agnew said to see the aussies beaten so convincingly is a rare privalenge. Too bad for me i didn't get to see the entire thing i was busy with my GF :p
I want to get busy with Collingwood right now! Legend.
 

sledger

Spanish_Vicente
simmy mate you are way over-reacting, i hope what you say comes true i really do but its just not a reality.
 

simmy

International Regular
K.. I'm not... and I wouldn't. This infactuation for a man rarely happens (as I am 100% straight I assure you). In fact the only other time this has happened was with Jonny Wilkinson and THAT drop kick with his WRONG foot. Also a legend (and also against Australia).

Now revising after this England win... not happy :(
 

SpeedKing

U19 Vice-Captain
aussie said:
ahhhhh yes, but has Jon Agnew said to see the aussies beaten so convincingly is a rare privalenge. Too bad for me i didn't get to see the entire thing i was busy with my GF :p
Me too, i had training today. I new trhe result from there. My coach told everyone not to tell him the result so he can see it live [well it would be live] when he got home
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
simmy said:
K.. I'm not... and I wouldn't. This infactuation for a man rarely happens (as I am 100% straight I assure you). In fact the only other time this has happened was with Jonny Wilkinson and THAT drop kick with his WRONG foot. Also a legend (and also against Australia).

Now revising after this England win... not happy :(
hahaha, i get what you are saying but come on mate try not to be so vulgar :happy:
 

tooextracool

International Coach
FaaipDeOiad said:
I think you could make a solid case for Harmison or Hoggard for Kasprowicz, given that Kasprowicz really only has a couple of good series to base his appeal on, which the other two can also claim. It's a close thing there though..
i certainly cant see hoggard making it ahead of kaspa, no matter how hard you tell me that hoggard is more than just a 'stock bowler' outside of seam friendly conditions, i wont accept it until i actually see him not get hammered all over the park like he did in australia and in SL.
as far as harmison is concerned, i think its a fair claim that he needs to prove himself against quality opposition, surely theres no way you can tell me that bowling well in india and SL is in anyway equivalent to bowling well against NZ and WI.

FaaipDeOiad said:
Also, Graham Thorpe would certainly replace Michael Clarke. I think the rest of the side would be Australian, though.
id assume flintoff would be in the side ahead of clarke.
i doubt thorpe could make it ahead of ponting or martyn. but i'd probably think that hes good enough to replace katich though, even if its a close call.
 

tooextracool

International Coach
simmy said:
This is definitely a premature statement but on current form I would rather have any England test match seamer than Kaspo.
Harmison made was top of the world rankings for over a series... showing his class... I can safely say that Kaspo will never be as successful.
really? kaspa has only had 1 poor test series with the ball since return, and even in that one he played a valuable part in the 2nd test.

simmy said:
Gillespie looked average today..
it is 20-20 cricket you know.
and i think we can safely say that hoggard and harmison looked average against b'desh.

simmy said:
You could say that the test matches will prove how good the Aussies are... but... England will surprise you. It's fresher, younger and keener and if they dont win this Ashes series they could easily win the next.
well we'll see. i personally dont see any reason why this 20-20 result should make a difference though, given that we were probably favorites to win the game before it started.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
simmy said:
This is definitely a premature statement but on current form I would rather have any England test match seamer than Kaspo. Gillespie looked average today.

Harmison made was top of the world rankings for over a series... showing his class... I can safely say that Kaspo will never be as successful.

You could say that the test matches will prove how good the Aussies are... but... England will surprise you. It's fresher, younger and keener and if they dont win this Ashes series they could easily win the next.
your overexaggerating mate :happy:
 

simmy

International Regular
Just fed up of the Aussie dominance ruining the game..!

Plus, football or "soccer"... is so dominant over here, cricket is being forgotten. Its important that England put in a good performance and the public notice it.
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
FaaipDeOiad said:
England won a relatively insignificant game very comfortably and thoughroughly outplayed Australia in every facet of the match. Don't read into it any further than that. It was ONE game, and it was only 20/20.
I wonder what the Aussie reaction would've been had the scores been reversed (and this isn't actually aimed at you FDO, as you've always come across to me as unbiased)
 

marc71178

Eyes not spreadsheets
aussie said:
this is now two hyped games that england have beaten australia now, i think it will be getting to them
Actually, we've now won the last Test, ODI and Twenty20 against Australia.

Not that it'll mean much come 21st July.
 

simmy

International Regular
You are right... If Aus had blitzed Eng.. they would be gloating right about now and media would be having a frenzy!
 

Slats4ever

International Vice-Captain
simmy said:
Every Englishmen knew what this team was capable of. Everytime I, or anyone else mentioned anything positive about the side it would be shot down by some smartass comment of how good McGrath or Ponting was or how overrated Flintoff seemed to be.

I now hope that every Aussie has hangs his deflated head in shame! You werent just beaten today... you were raped! In every facet of our great sport: England dominated :D

You can say that this was a one-off win in a meaningless Twenty20 game but are there any positives to be drawn from the Aus performance? No.

Flintoff.. who much hyped as influential to a victory need not have turned up and by the time Harmison had balled a ball the game was won.

So many times I heard about the Bangladeshi fixtures being pointless and Eng not getting anything out of them... well to be honest... on today's performance the Aus would have struggled to beat them.

An old "codger", who I actually predicted to get a hattrick (wasnt far off) and a debutant skittled the entire batting line-up of the supposed "best side in the world".

The Aussies looked scared... The Ashes are coming home!
A) if you have a problem with us being the "best side in the world" take it up with hundreds of cricket rating schemes that has us lying far and away best.

B) when you start saying "In every facet of our great sport" you are referring to the fact that a 20-20 game is representative of all cricket. To many, including myself you can't take anything out from one of these hit and giggle games. The amount of exposure the Aussie players have had to this compared to the domestic competition the English players play in is amazing.

Congratulations on the win, but some of the statements u made are stupid
 

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