The Argonaut salary method

[Neil Pickup]

Age - granted, they will have the same resources for the season after promotion, but they will not have been amble to build the competitive foundation of the team beforehand, hence will probably struggle.

Aditya - I was under the impression that the divisions are there to give more people a chance to win things and keep us Division Five retards interested

 

[aditya]

The strength of the team depends on how u manage and trade during off season and the picks u get.Many teams get good picks but dont pick up good players eg ND.And also they leave their youth whose avgs around 50 in both form.Now how in the world its possible to make them even.

I was also a new comer last season and now my team is one of the best in WCC as many say so it all depends on the manager to make or break a team.Look at TN they were out of sorts in the last season and now a force all because of their manager.Similarly colts also improved by heaps after their introduction.

 

[age_master]

but they will not have been amble to build the competitive foundation of the team beforehand, hence will probably struggle.

yeah they might struggle a little, but they will probably also get the chance to get some of the players from better teams that are relegated, also, they should be able to be competitive, even if they dont win first season up

 

[marc71178]

Never in any league all teams are equal.There has to be a difference.At least of some sort.Otherwise whats the use of making divisions.

So if sides aren't equal, some sides get treated harsher than others.

Are you in favour of that now?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Aditya: If the strong sides always remain strong and the weak sides always remain weak, the game would get monotonous and boring for alot of us.

 

[aditya]

But if a division 5 team become as strong as division 1 team what the difference it will make as it will not play with div 1 team till it reaches div 1 and till it reaches div 1 as i said it will get enough money to build a side.

 

[Neil Pickup]

yeah they might struggle a little, but they will probably also get the chance to get some of the players from better teams that are relegated, also, they should be able to be competitive, even if they dont win first season up

Evidence from the English football league doesn't back this up..

Aditya - forgetting the VB Cup for one, and when it reaches a higher division it will struggle - as explained earlier.

 

[The Argonaut]

Arg, that system does kind of fall down when it comes to rating those who don't bowl.

I'm against formulae driven salaries for that reason.

I'll post some stuff tomorrow so you may change your mind.

Why shouldn't a bowler who can bat a bit make some money from it. He is contributing in two forms of the game while a batsman only contributes to one. With this system all rounders are the highest paid and that's the way it should be. They are doing the work of 2 players.

 

[Umpire Money]

Differing caps for higher divisions is a good idea i reckon, fair and equitable, because then the lower teams have no chance in getting the good players that top teams have....

blah. this is silly billy.
Top teams should shed their players to lower teams to make it more even does it matter if div 5 team is as strong as a div 1 team and they cant play each other....not that i can see because eventually they will...they have to keep up their consistency.

We dont want to see teams like SA dominate both forms of the game(oops they already are) and then have no retirements(oops again) and then they will stay there. Thats a joke if no one saw it.

 

[age_master]

We dont want to see teams like SA dominate both forms of the game(oops they already are) and then have no retirements(oops again) and then they will stay there. Thats a joke if no one saw it.

thats hardly gonna happen every season, anyway, shouldnt teams that have spent the last couple of seasons building stronger teams be alowed to keep a resonable number of their current players if they want to. anyway, shouldnt higher divisions get more money just cause the are higher divisions, lets go back to any multi divisioned championship in the world, almost all, if not all othe the top divisioned teams have more money than the lower divisions, that gives teams extra motivation to get into better divisions and also a reward for the teams that get into better divisions

 

[aditya]

thats hardly gonna happen every season, anyway, shouldnt teams that have spent the last couple of seasons building stronger teams be alowed to keep a resonable number of their current players if they want to. anyway, shouldnt higher divisions get more money just cause the are higher divisions, lets go back to any multi divisioned championship in the world, almost all, if not all othe the top divisioned teams have more money than the lower divisions, that gives teams extra motivation to get into better divisions and also a reward for the teams that get into better divisions

I totally agree with Age.There has to be a difference.

 

[nibbs]

Aditya, you are really confusing me.

In the retirements thread you a moaning about how you think you've been treated unfairly by getting some crap rookies after losing some good players, while in the mean time, you don't see anything wrong with the idea of the higher division clubs getting more money than the low division clubs, which is unfair. Please explain to me where you are coming from??? I don't see it...

 

[marc71178]

It's simple nibs - where it works in his favour, it's all superb and the system is great.

Where he doesn't get any benefit, then the system is corrupt and should be changed!

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Rather than have a different salary cap for the different divisions, we should just have prize earnings for winning your division. That way, when a team is promoted, they get a pay bonus to establish themselves. The different divisions would have different amounts of prize money at stake and each division will start off with the bonus of the amount of prize money in the division beneath them. (ie if you get $2000 for winning Div 2, teams in Div 1 will start off with $2000 extra) That way it puts more emphasis on wise spending rather than ability to spend.

 

[aditya]

Aditya, you are really confusing me.

In the retirements thread you a moaning about how you think you've been treated unfairly by getting some crap rookies after losing some good players, while in the mean time, you don't see anything wrong with the idea of the higher division clubs getting more money than the low division clubs, which is unfair. Please explain to me where you are coming from??? I don't see it...

As my budget is high it woulg have been difficult to retain 10 players but for sure M Attapatu and G Richards would have been retained and i would have traded other.Now as they have retired is will be able to keep 10 and will not be able to trade much.I was telling just because my trade options will be limited now.

And about the difference in money it is there everywhere in the world.the difference is not too much and u are getting the prize money when u are promoted.So that u can build a team as strong as those who are in the division u have been promoted to.As u can see the difference in the salaries of the div 1 and div 5 players.

Ok if u think that it is unfair then how in the world it is fair that one team players ask for more money than other.All players should ask for same amount good or bad.Then will it be worth introducing finance.

I will explain how it will not unfair.

Take a eg of SA and Mashonaland.SA will get 1200k and Mashonaland 1000k.They will keep their 10 best players

SA
M Jenkins 107K
D Lehmann 108K
B Dennet 75K
R Stratton 131K
H Axelby 87K
S Williams 85K
K French 67K
V Oliver 60K
M Harrity 74K
O Snow 106K

Total 900k

Now they have 300k to buy six players from draft.

Mashonaland
B Rogers 49K
T Petal 87K
A Petal 49K
D Fulton 32K
A Mackay 52K
D Viljoen 50K
W Wisneski 55K
R Cunningham 45K
M Burns 64K
G Lambert 66K

Total 549k

Still they have 451k which is much more than SA to spend on draft.

So Mashonaland will get much better players than than SA from the draft for 1 they are ahead in the picks and 2 they have more money.

Now if SA also get 1000k then they will have to shed 2-3 of their best players to keep money for the draft.Now is it fair for a side which has build itself from last 3 seasons to shed their players just like that.

If their is equal money than the lower teams will be at too much advantage than the higher ones for
1 they will get better players in draft
2 they will also get good players from trade

So it will happen that a div 1 team will become weaker than a division 5 team in due course.And also all teams in one division are getting equal amount so there is competition in each division.And then there is prizemoney as i said earlier.

 

[aditya]

It's simple nibs - where it works in his favour, it's all superb and the system is great.

Where he doesn't get any benefit, then the system is corrupt and should be changed!

And Marc why do u always have to come in between and post.He asked me and i will give him the explaination.Who are u to come in the middle.I am no way gaining by losing my players.Its just that i have now 14 players to deal with forgetting the 2 rookies.My trade options are a bit limited.Just that.I have got over it eventually.Just thing abt it if ur 2-3 best players r taken and u r given 2-3 bad rookies.Wouldnt u have moaned for atleast a day.

I still remember the betting issue where when u lost were shouting it will not told that draw means u lose money but it was agreed when Simon was placing odds.Everyone sees his benefit a bit its human tendency.I also lost money but accepted it next day but u were not agreeing and eventually what happened it was banned.All lost because of u.

So i think u should mind ur own business and not poke ur nose here and there.

 

[Neil Pickup]

So it will happen that a div 1 team will become weaker than a division 5 team in due course.

Then, if the D5 team, as you're telling us, does so much better, they'll be in the same position as the D1 side and roles will be reversed, and your argument loses its substance?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

it was banned.All lost because of u.

So i think u should mind ur own business and not poke ur nose here and there.

Ok. I think it's about time for a time-out.

 

[marc71178]

Don't worry Liam, this one will go to GB to sort out.

What was it he said about abuse just the other day?

 

[Blewy]

Right im sorry to have to do this but this thread is closed...

The Finance issue is currently put on hold...
There seems to be nothing but arguments and until people calm down then it will not be looked at....

Also Aditya be very careful, you are treading a very fine line with the abuse over the last week....