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The 2006 NBA Playoffs thread
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Fusion
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Anil said:a blowout for the heat in game 4 and it's all square....but the mavs just need one win in miami and they can go home and finish it off there....can wade and shaq hold them off for a three in a row at home??? fusion, what do you think?
I will echo Sanz and say that the Mavs are too good a team to be beaten 3 games in a row. Plus, no team in history has won 3 in a row after losing the first 2 (since the 2-3-2 format was put into place). But I take nothing for granted. It was a terrible mistake on the Mavs part to give the Heat HOPE. The series was their's for the taking on game 3, and they let Heat get back into it. That game yesterday was an embarrasment. Oh well, we go on to Sunday now. I expect the Mavs to bounce back big.
Fusion
Global Moderator
lol. The local paper in Dallas had an article about that. In fairness though, the Stackhouse incident is a rarity for a Dallas team. By the way, I would actually PREFER the old style Pat Riley ball. I'm tired of seeing Dirk get knocked around by other teams!Sanz said:Did anyone watch MarK Cuban on Letterman and how he took a shot @ Heat Coach by saying - "like that old Pat Riley ball where the Knicks would just beat up on people, so we changed it up some" and next day his own player does that.
Well that probably makes him a.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
And Jerry Stackhouse is Suspended for the foul. Good Job NBA. He becomes the second Maverick to be suspended in the Playoff.
And Fusion, Dirk is not the only one, every good player in the league has to go through that. You just watch players like Wade, Lebran, KG and you will see how many times they are hit hard.
And Fusion, Dirk is not the only one, every good player in the league has to go through that. You just watch players like Wade, Lebran, KG and you will see how many times they are hit hard.
Fusion
Global Moderator
Yeah the Heat had a lot to do with that. But you have to admit that the Mavs had a bit of a choke job. They were up by 10 points with around 6 minutes to go in game 3. They should've held on the lead.Anil said:i think that's the loyal mavs fan talking....
you know i think the heat had a little something to do with giving themselves hope.....
Fusion
Global Moderator
Oh ofcourse. I'm not making Dirk out to be the lone victim of this. What I said was I like teams/players that FIGHT BACK. So though I'm sorry that Jerry Stackhouse got suspended as it hurts my team's chances (and I agree with the NBA's decision by the way), a part of me is still glad that he had that hard foul on Shaq. The Mavs need to toughen up.Sanz said:
Fusion
Global Moderator
Sanz said:I sure hope that Mavs dont use that as motivation.
I hope they use that as motivation. Or use the fact they got embarrased in game 4. Or that they have suddenly turned into the underdogs. Heck, use the fact that there seem to be more celebrities backing the Heat than them. USE ANYTHING. Just get it done!
ohtani's jacket
State Vice-Captain
If I were a Mavs fan I'd be pretty worried at the moment.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
I dont understand the Media comments on Mavericks saying that they are on vaccation and blah blah blah. They have dominated Miami for close to two games and 3 quarters of the 3rd game. They had a horrible 4th game and all at a sudden all teh heat is on them ?
I am not saying that Mavericks deserved praise for their display in last game, but they are on vacation ?? Simply ridiculous.
I believe that ONE Game(on away court) can change the course of this series. If Dallas wins on Sunday night, they win the series. There is no way Heat are going to win 2 games in a row in Dallas.
I am not saying that Mavericks deserved praise for their display in last game, but they are on vacation ?? Simply ridiculous.
I believe that ONE Game(on away court) can change the course of this series. If Dallas wins on Sunday night, they win the series. There is no way Heat are going to win 2 games in a row in Dallas.
Fusion
Global Moderator
I don't ever complain about calls. I don't whine about my team losing because of the refs. But I will today. The Mavs lose this game after Dirk is called for a PHANTOM foul on Wade with 1.6 sec left!! 
I thought you're supposed to let them play at the end? Specially in the playoffs?? That wasn't a foul. Wade gets that call and the Heat win the game, and probably the series. I'm depressed and furious at the same time. I can't believe this series has seemingly slipped out of the Mavs' hands. Life is so unfair.
I thought you're supposed to let them play at the end? Specially in the playoffs?? That wasn't a foul. Wade gets that call and the Heat win the game, and probably the series. I'm depressed and furious at the same time. I can't believe this series has seemingly slipped out of the Mavs' hands. Life is so unfair.don't think it's time to throw in the towel just yet...it's definitely become a whole lot tougher but the last two games are at home and the mavs still have a realistic chance of winning....man, was nowitzki furious on his way to the locker room!Fusion said:I don't ever complain about calls. I don't whine about my team losing because of the refs. But I will today. The Mavs lose this game after Dirk is called for a PHANTOM foul on Wade with 1.6 sec left!!
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
I didn't watch the game, but on my way to work listening to Mike & Mike (ESPN) in the morning, I heard Dallas players/coach/owner/Fans complain about : -Fusion said:I don't ever complain about calls. I don't whine about my team losing because of the refs. But I will today. The Mavs lose this game after Dirk is called for a PHANTOM foul on Wade with 1.6 sec left!!
a. Jerry Stackhouse's suspension
b. Time Out Call by Avery/Josh
c. Dwyane's backcourt violation
d. Dirk's foul on wade.
Mike & Mike took each one and responded :-
a. Jerry Stackhouse's act didn't warrant suspension, but considering how strict NBA has been this post season, It was on the charts for the sake of consistency
b. Timeout Call - Avery/Josh made a mess out of it. You cant leave rooms for assumptions by the refs. COACH should step up and take responsibility for this mess.
c. Mike & Mike claimed to have watched the sequence over and over again, and to them it seemed like Wade was in the air when he took the ball.
d. M & M do agree that there shouldn't have been any call on Dirk, at the same time, they felt that the call should have gone against Devin Harris. So there you go.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Dallas deserves it. Any team that tries Hack-a-Shaq deserves no sympathy from me. When you try Hack-a-Shaq for 5 games in a row, it means you dont have confidence in your ability. (I can understand fouling in the last minutes of the game/quarter but hack-a-shaq is just unethical especially when your coach says that he doesn't believe in it)
Fusion
Global Moderator
I'll respond point by point as a Mavs fan:Sanz said:
A: I have no argument with the Stackhouse suspension. Personally, I don't think it should've warranted a suspension, but like you said, that's the way NBA has called it all year. So Mavs can't expect anything different.
B: The timeout call mess was purely on Dallas. Josh Howard should've known not to signal at that time, and Avery should've known not to try to get Josh's attention in a way that would make him think "Hey Avery wants me to call a timeout RIGHT NOW". Now, some guys at ESPN news pointed out that the refs COULD HAVE chosen to ask Howard did he really want to call the timeout? But that wasn't the ref's responsibility to do so.
C: I disagree with M&M's analysis here, but that (non)call didn't really bother me that much.
D: Ah, the beef of agitation is this point. Watch the replay of this play. Neither Dirk nor Harris deserved to be called for a foul on this play. Was there slight contat? Yes. But that's usually NEVER CALLED in the last minutes of an NBA final. I don't care what anyone says, but that was going against established NBA tradition of "letting them play" at the end (unless it's a TOTALLY OBVIOUS, almost flagrant foul).
So did that last play cost the Mavs the game? Of course not. The Mavs lost it by putting themselves in that position to begin with. Josh and Dirk missed FT's. The timeout mess. Terry couldn't connect on a tough shot at the end of regulation. Stackhouse's absence meant no bench points etc. However, that still doesn't make it right. The Mavs' own mistakes put them in the position where they were at the mercy of a ref's call at the end, but that call should've been THE RIGHT CALL.
Fusion
Global Moderator
I think you're going too far when you say it's "unethical". Why is it unethical when it's a legitimate tactic of the game? If Shaq doesn't want to see that ploy, THEN START MAKING FREE THROWS. A team needs to use whatever advantage it can get. Would I prefer that Dallas was strong enough to not use Hack-a-Shaq? Yes. But they're not and it's a legitimate tactic. There is one point I would agree with you on. It's WHEN Dallas started using the Hack-a-Shaq. It made no sense to foul him in OT when the Heat weren't in the penalty yet. That was just wasting fouls for no reason.Sanz said:
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Underarm bowling was legal, doesn't mean it was ethical. IMO it clearly is against the spirit of the game. Anyways It's my personal opinion and I can totally understand your stand on this.
IMO every time Dallas(or any other team) tries Hack-a-Shaq, it means that they are questioning their own defensive abilities and trust me it almost never works (atleast against Shaq). Detroit tried it (this year Conf Finals) and it didn't work, infact it backfired when Miami retaliated by hacking Ben Wallace.
IMO every time Dallas(or any other team) tries Hack-a-Shaq, it means that they are questioning their own defensive abilities and trust me it almost never works (atleast against Shaq). Detroit tried it (this year Conf Finals) and it didn't work, infact it backfired when Miami retaliated by hacking Ben Wallace.