that Virat Kohli

[kiwiviktor81]

not people who know the history of one day cricket...he is legitimately in contention for being the greatest one day bowler of all time...

I don't really disagree with you. But most people don't know the history of ODI cricket. I've been looking closely at the ATG ODI teams people pick here and most do not have Garner in them.

 

[kiwiviktor81]

Gilchrist was a very, very special player at the time, as it was widely accepted that if you didn't get him out cheaply you lost the game.

 

[indiaholic]

Flintoff struck at 24 sixes per 1,000 balls in ODIs. He's there to try and hit sixes after Richards and ABDV have set a platform.

I LOVE THIS MAGGLE.

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[Anil]

Gilchrist was a very, very special player at the time, as it was widely accepted that if you didn't get him out cheaply you lost the game.

actually the aussies were a very special team at the time and regardless of whether you get gilchrist out cheaply or not, chances were you lost the game...gilchrist was awesome when he got going but it didn't happen a whole lot, the truth is the team didn't need him in order to win...those aussie sides in the 90s were the greatest one day teams ever by a country mile...

 

[Anil]

Gilchrist scored at a strike rate of nearly 97. His average is 36 or so (which is fine in 90s context). However, the strike rate meant that when he got going, the opposition faced a tough start. As a comparison to similarly aggressive players, Jayasuriya averaged 32 and most other if not all other players you mention had strike rates in the region of 80s, some below 80 too. Gilchrist was special. Regarding consistency, he scored 50 or more 81 times in 268 completed innings. I'll take that.

i get that you and a lot of others will take that, it's just that i won't, definitely not as an opener in an all-time xi...as a lower middle order batsman and a 'keeper in an all-time xi, he will do fine...

 

[Pratters]

How was Gilchrist not consistent?

 

[kiwiviktor81]

actually the aussies were a very special team at the time and regardless of whether you get gilchrist out cheaply or not, chances were you lose the game...gilchrist was awesome when he got going but it didn't happen a whole lot, the truth is the team didn't need him in order to win...those aussie sides in the 90s were the greatest one day teams ever by a country mile...

Yeah they were awesome. Even if you got Gilchrist, Hayden and Ponting cheaply you still had to score runs against McGrath, Lee and Warne. That team was dangerous anytime and anywhere.

 

[Anil]

How was Gilchrist not consistent?

look at his record and you will see...and of course you have to compare him to the truly great openers to see the contrast...once again, strike rate is overrated unless accompanied by consistency (that's what makes someone like viv special and unique)...the brilliance of those aussie teams cover up a lot of gilchrist's flaws...

 

[Gob]

actually the aussies were a very special team at the time and regardless of whether you get gilchrist out cheaply or not, chances were you lose the game...gilchrist was awesome when he got going but it didn't happen a whole lot, the truth is the team didn't need him in order to win...those aussie sides in the 90s were the greatest one day teams ever by a country mile...

Gilchrist was pretty consistent for an opener. Think he ended up with an average of 35 or something (which is pretty good given he played fair bit in the 90's) but averaged very close to 40 IIRC for most part. He consistently got them off to great starts by making 30 odd ball 50's when such things weren't a norm and if anything he didn't convert those knocks to hundreds all that often. The bolded part is bit wtf because he was the best match winner in the team and it was him and Ponting that formed the engine room for quite a while. Hayden before the 07 world cup was a solid opener but he was nothing like Gilchrist

Also the Aust OD teams in the 90's weren't that great

 

[Grumpy]

Chris Gayle
John Davison
Sanath Jayasuria
Brendon McCullum
Glenn Maxwell
Shahid Afridi*
Corey Anderson
Jos Buttler (+)
Yousuf Pathan
Darren Sammy
Andre Russell


Dat SR

 

[honestbharani]

Yeah but Gilchrist made his debut in late 1997 and so you can't really consider him a 90s guy... He played much less in that era. He is basically a noughties player and there are a number of openers who can compare to him in that period.

 

[honestbharani]

Chris Gayle
John Davison
Sanath Jayasuria
Brendon McCullum
Glenn Maxwell
Shahid Afridi*
Corey Anderson
Jos Buttler (+)
Yousuf Pathan
Darren Sammy
Andre Russell


Dat SR

And all Dat offspin...

 

[kiwiviktor81]

Chris Gayle
John Davison
Sanath Jayasuria
Brendon McCullum
Glenn Maxwell
Shahid Afridi*
Corey Anderson
Jos Buttler (+)
Yousuf Pathan
Darren Sammy
Andre Russell


Dat SR

You'd want Tui to be doing the catch a six for a million thing if that team came to town

 

[Pratters]

there are a number of openers who can compare to him in that period.

Like?

 

[Grumpy]

And all Dat offspin...

You'd want Tui to be doing the catch a six for a million thing if that team came to town

 

[Contra]

Gilchrist wasn't too much different from Jayasuria and Sehwag, he's mostly being considered due to his wicket keeping abilities as the differentiating factor.

 

[Gob]

Yeah but Gilchrist made his debut in late 1997 and so you can't really consider him a 90s guy... He played much less in that era. He is basically a noughties player and there are a number of openers who can compare to him in that period.

late 1996

Point is he played close to 25% of his games in 90's so yeah you cant necessarily call him a 90's player but that was still a significant amount of games that he played in the 90's and that should effect his overall figures negatively cos that was a bowlers decade. Turned out that he averaged around 33 in the 90s as opposed to 36 in the 00's but that 36 came at a S/R of over 100 which makes him extremely dangerous. I don't have any problem in anyone picking Dhoni ahead of him (i'd probably go for Dhoni as well or even DeVilliers) but Tendulkar aside there have not been many better openers than Gilchrist

 

[Tom Flint]

I wouldnt put him in my all time odi xi myself but surely dilshan deserves more of a mention..eqaully as destructive as gilchrist, reliable sixth bowler and a fantastic fielder. He would probably make my 2nd xi

 

[smash84]

I wouldnt put him in my all time odi xi myself but surely dilshan deserves more of a mention..eqaully as destructive as gilchrist, reliable sixth bowler and a fantastic fielder. He would probably make my 2nd xi

Would rather take Jayasuriya over Dilshan. More explosive batsman, better bowler, and a very good fielder as well

 

[Tom Flint]

Fair enough..cant be much between them. I think dilshan stopping playing test cricket early was a massive loss for the game. Could have gone down as a great of his generation across all formats. Class cricketer..still easily sri lankas best odi player in his late 30s
jayasuria is a legend so i wont argue there