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Test runs draft -Team XI's total sum of test runs must not exceed 30k(negotiable AF)

Shady Slim

International Coach
since i don't have another pick for a while i'll take an excellent keeper and batsman who had his career cut short by WWII in Pieter van der Bijl, another with a batting average over 50, clocking in at a cool 460 runs.

Slim's Jims
1. WG Grace
2. Pieter van der Bijl+
3.
4. Everton Weekes
5.
6. Ian Botham
7.
8.
9. Anil Kumble
10. Ryan Harris
11. Wes Hall

30000-1098-460-4455-5200-2506-603-818=14860
 

watson

Banned
He never gets picked in drafts at all really until really late. I feel he just must have not scored enough tons to be lumped in the Pollock/Headley class coz he is statistically similar

Unfortunately for Eddie Paynter he was 30 years old when he got picked for his first Test match in 1931, and like a lot of players his career was interupted by the Second World War so that he was not able to play more than 20 Tests.

Of course once he was selected for England he was hugely successful and his average of 84.42 is second to only Bradman in Ashes encounters.

However, his FC record indicates why Paynter is less revered than other great players despite having a comparable Test average, and why he was quite old when he made his Test debut.

From 1926 to 1929 he made only 11 appearances for Lancashire, and without much success. It wasn't until 1930 that he made his first FC century against Warwickshire and then improved his reputation. Even so, he was inconsistent and was considered lucky at the time to be selected for the 1932 Bodyline series. In all he averaged a creditable 42.26 for his FC matches, but it's nothing outstanding.

Therefore, despite having a similar Test average Paynter's overall cricketing record contrasts with the likes of Graeme Pollock and George Headley who were successful and admired throughout their respective 27 year careers. Pollock made 20,940 runs at 54.27 and Headley made 9921 runs at 69.86. In consistency and stature Eddie Paynter pales in comparison.

There is also batting skill and technique to consider. No one who every watched Pollock and Headley dominate a bowling attack could fail to recognise that they were watching the absolute best. Paynter was considered to be a fine attacking batsman in his time, but few cricketing writers and critics would consider putting him on the same batting plane.
 

AndrewB

International Vice-Captain
Unfortunately for Eddie Paynter he was 30 years old when he got picked for his first Test match in 1931, and like a lot of players his career was interupted by the Second World War so that he was not able to play more than 20 Tests.

Of course once he was selected for England he was hugely successful and his average of 84.42 is second to only Bradman in Ashes encounters.

However, his FC record indicates why Paynter is less revered than other great players despite having a comparable Test average, and why he was quite old when he made his Test debut.

From 1926 to 1929 he made only 11 appearances for Lancashire, and without much success. It wasn't until 1930 that he made his first FC century against Warwickshire and then improved his reputation. Even so, he was inconsistent and was considered lucky at the time to be selected for the 1932 Bodyline series. In all he averaged a creditable 42.26 for his FC matches, but it's nothing outstanding.

Therefore, despite having a similar Test average Paynter's overall cricketing record contrasts with the likes of Graeme Pollock and George Headley who were successful and admired throughout their respective 27 year careers. Pollock made 20,940 runs at 54.27 and Headley made 9921 runs at 69.86. In consistency and stature Eddie Paynter pales in comparison.

There is also batting skill and technique to consider. No one who every watched Pollock and Headley dominate a bowling attack could fail to recognise that they were watching the absolute best. Paynter was considered to be a fine attacking batsman in his time, but few cricketing writers and critics would consider putting him on the same batting plane.
Also, if you look at the England batting averages in matches when Paynter was playing:
He played 7 Tests in the early 30s (mostly in Aus/NZ in 1932-3):
Hammond 102.55
Wyatt 55.16
Jardine 51.00
Leyland 44.16
Ames 38.37
Paynter 36.37
Sutcliffe 35.00
Not bad (with the one famous innings in Aus when he had tonsilitis), but not outstanding, and he was dropped for 4 years.

He was recalled to the side in 1937 for another 13 matches, in which the averages were:
Paynter 69.38
Valentine 68.75
Hammond 67.52
Hardstaff 63.87
Hutton 60.83
Gibb 59.12
Compton 53.14
Ames 50.36
Edrich 25.58

So his outstanding-looking average in those 3 years is indeed the best for any England batsman (excluding Leyland, who only played in the 903-7 Test), but not *miles* ahead of his contemporaries (remember that Hutton, Compton and Edrich were all very young at the time).

For another comparison: the average score for an England top-7 batsmen in matches where Paynter played was 52; the equivalent figure for Hammond was 42, for Hutton 39, for Hobbs 38.
 

watson

Banned
01.
02.
03. Ted Dexter 4502
04. Peter May 4537
05. Neil Harvey 6149
06.
07. Denis Lindsay 1130
08.
09. Dale Steyn 1143
10. Dennis Lillee 905
11. Bill O'Reilly 410


Total = 18,776
Remaining = 11,224
 

The Battlers Prince

International Vice-Captain
Can't help picking threes and fours Watson? I honestly thought May and Harvey had both spent most of their time at 3 but May was similar 3/4 and Harvey about twice as much 3 as 4.
Was hoping he'd slip through to me, but good pick
 

watson

Banned
Can't help picking threes and fours Watson? I honestly thought May and Harvey had both spent most of their time at 3 but May was similar 3/4 and Harvey about twice as much 3 as 4.
Was hoping he'd slip through to me, but good pick

Yeah, I thought that Harvey would definitely go this round so got in early.

Harvey only played 6 innings at No.5 but scored 4 centuries there when he did, and averaged 137. This makes sense as he was at his best when dancing down the wicket to the spinners. So No.5 it is for him.

Dexter averaged 52 at No.3 and it was easily his best position in the order because of his liking for fast bowling.

May's natural postion was No.4 where he averaged 58 and made his highest score of 285.

So Dexter and May can take the heat at the top of the order and then Harvey can score all the runs with the older ball.

That's my rationale anyway, even if it's wrong.


A Massive Zebra --> KK --> Morgieb
 
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kingkallis

International Coach
Charles Macartney 2131

CricZo XI

1. Jack Hobbs / 5410
2. Arthur Morris / 3533
3. Charles Macartney / o 2131
4.
5.
6.
7. Shaun Pollock o / 3781
8.
9. Andy Roberts o 762
10. Fred Trueman o 981
11. Clarrie Grimmett o 557

Total Runs: 17155
Balance: 12845
 

watson

Banned
Round 7
Honestbharani - Eddie Paynter
Shady Slim - Pieter van der Bijl
Weldone - timed out again
Watson - Neil Harvey
A Massive Zebra - Vijay Hazare
KK - Charlie Macartney
Morgieb - Richie Benaud
J_C - Martin Crowe
TBP - Patsy Hendren
Slifer - Ken Barrington
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AndrewB
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The Battlers Prince

International Vice-Captain
Bums on seats XI
1. Virender Sehwag 8586
2. Archie Jackson 474
3.
4. Patsy Hendren 3525
5. AB De Villiers 8074
6.
7. Gilbert Jessop 569
8. Wasim Akram 2898
9.
10. Jeff Thomson 679
11.
 

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Peter Pollock 607
Leaving 6628


Steve`s (unnamed) XI
01 Sir Len Hutton 6971
02 Barry Richards 508
03 Duleepsinhji 995
04 Viv Richards 8540
05
06 Brad Hodge 503
07
08 Kapil Dev 5248
09 Peter Pollock 607
10
11
 

Zinzan

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Need a number 3, Steve Smith seems insane value @ 3852


The Festivus for the rest of us XI

1. Herbert Sutcliffe (4555)
2. Stewie Dempster (723)
3. Steve Smith (3852)
4. Graeme Pollock (2256)
5.
6.
7.
8. Richard Hadlee (3124)
9.
10. Jim Laker (676)
11. Neil Adcock (146)


Balance remaining 14668 @ 3667
 

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