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Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
Stefano said:
What about tomorrow? Will those 8 missing overs be added?
There used to be a rule that missing overs were "made up", but it was abandoned a year and a half ago. Tony Greig (old English cricketer) had a big moan about it on the radio, IIRC.
 

luckyeddie

Cricket Web Staff Member
Stefano said:
Will Sri Lanka be warned for this?
If a genuinely slow over rate had no mitigating circumstances, you'd be looking at 10% of the match fee for the captain if it was a first offence.

I understand that was not the case this time (India weren't playing).
 

Stefano

School Boy/Girl Captain
I have read that the first international cricket match was played in 1844 between Canada and USA. What kind of cricket was that? First Class Cricket? Or something else..

Thanks.
 

C_C

International Captain
Yes, it was a first class match.
International cricket means it was a match between two different national teams.
however, inorder to achieve test status for the match, both the countries participating must be granted test status.
Which Canada and US never were.
 

Stefano

School Boy/Girl Captain
So.. How would you consider that match between USA and Canada? How many innings per side were played? How many days did it last? When did First Class Cricket officialy begin?
 

Stefano

School Boy/Girl Captain
I don't want to ruin the official topic about the Ashes Series, so I use this. The match has been interrupted because of rain. WHat would happen if it rained even tomorrow? Let's imagine that Australia is not able to dismiss all English batsmen because of the rain. Will Australia receive some extra time on the next day or the game will end in a draw? Thanks.
 

King_Ponting

International Regular
Stefano said:
I don't want to ruin the official topic about the Ashes Series, so I use this. The match has been interrupted because of rain. WHat would happen if it rained even tomorrow? Let's imagine that Australia is not able to dismiss all English batsmen because of the rain. Will Australia receive some extra time on the next day or the game will end in a draw? Thanks.
Game end in a draw. no extra day. so the lesser team gets a lifeline
 

FaaipDeOiad

Hall of Fame Member
Stefano said:
What is a lifeline?
Just a figure of speech in this case. If the game is rained out, it ends in a draw. Play on the final day can begin half an hour early and finish half an hour late to try and make up for lost time, but it won't be extended into the 6th day.
 

Adamc

Cricketer Of The Year
Shane Warne said:
Basically it means Australia are needlessly robbed of victory due to nonsensical beurocratics in the ICC office.
So they should overturn nearly 130 years of Test cricket history to facilitate an Australian win? Give it up.
 

Stefano

School Boy/Girl Captain
I am doing some research about cricket history. Do you know any sites where I can get some historical information? I have found the cricket portal at Wikipedia and cricinfo. Do you know other good sites? Then, could you please write me the 10 greatest batsmen and the 10 greatest bowlers of all times (please, write me what kind of bowlers they were)? Please, do not include acrive players.

Thank you very much!
 
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C_C

International Captain
10 greatest batsmen/bowlers is largely an opinion call, really.

Cricket has been played since the mid 1700s and test cricket since late 1800s...however, cricket didnt become a professional sport till the late 1950s and as such, there are some considerable discrepancy in comparing players from pre WWII eras and today.

There are two viewpoints on this matter. One, is that most of the pre-war players were inferior to the post war players, as it is pretty evident that they lacked the professional environment, advanced coaching/training methods, the overall spectrum of players were less competitive ( ie, gap between good and poor was much bigger) and overall skills ( barring a few exceptions) was at a lower level.

The other viewpoint, is that if the pre-war players had the same opportunity ( ie, they were born in the modern era), they would've done just fine.
My personal viewpoint is with the former notion, since i believe that you can compare only what is concrete ( ie, how they actually played, etc.) and not indulge in conjencture and i see no reason to believe that everyone from back then would've made a completely linear transformation.

Also for bowlers, its pretty hard to compare pacers to spinners and as such, you cannot give a very good rating that involves both pacers and spinners in the same rating. As such, i've made them into 2 seperate lists. I've also provided their nationalities.

Bearing that in mind, here are my choice for 10 great bowlers/batsmen with both viewpoints in mind( This is my opinion in terms of ordering, though it is just an opinion and open to ambiguity, apart from Bradman as #1) :

Viewpoint #1 : Pre War players were mostly crap:

Batsmen:

#1. Don Bradman RHB - Australia
#2. Sachin Tendulkar RHB - India
#3. Sunil Gavaskar RHB - India
#4. Viv Richards RHB - West Indies
#5. Gary Sobers LHB - West Indies
#6. Greg Chappell RHB - Australia
#7. Brian Lara LHB - West Indies
#8. Steve Waugh RHB - Australia
#9. Alan Border LHB - West Indies
#10. Rahul Dravid RHB - India


Bowlers(Pacers) :


#1 . Malcolm Marshall RF - West Indies
#2. Richard Hadlee RFM - New Zealand
#3. Curtley Ambrose RF - West Indies
#4. Glenn McGrath RFM - Australia
#5. Imran Khan RF - Pakistan
#6. Michael Holding RF - West Indies
#7. Wasim Akram LF - Pakistan
#8. Fred Trueman RF - England
#9. Joel Garner RF - West Indies
#10. Alan Donald RF - South Africa
#10. Raymond Lindwall RF - Australia ( sorry, i just cannot differentiate between Lindwall and Donald)

Bowlers ( Spinners):

#1 . Muttiah Muralitharan OB - Sri Lanka
#2 . Shane Warne LB - Australia
#3 . Bhagwat Chandrasekhar LB - India
#4 . Bishen Bedi SLA - India
#5 . Lance Gibbs OB - West Indies
#6 . Subhash Gupte LB - India
#7 . Jim Laker OB - England
#8 . Anil Kumble LB - India
#9 . Sonny Ramadhin OB - West Indies
#10. Ritchie Benaud LB - Australia

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By the latter argument, it is really a wide open field, with batsmen such as K.S. Ranjitsinhji, V. Trumper, W.Hammond, G.Headley, J.Hobbs, F.S. Jackson, H.Sutcliffe vying for some of the spots in the top 10 for batsmen(though i really dont know how they would fit in in any sort of ordering)

For pace bowlers, Bill Voce, Harold Larwood, Mohammed Nissar, Sid Barnes, Spofforth etc. are in contention and C.Grimmett, Bill O'Reiley, Hugh Tayfield and Headley Verity are in contention for spinners.
Again, i dont know how to place them in midst of the modern players.

Some other names you might wanna look up ( and form your own opinion) are Javed Miandad, Geoff Boycott, Alan Davidson, Keith Miller, Vijay Hazare, Doug Walters, Bobby Simpson, Ian Botham, Kapil Dev, Waqar Younis, Courtney Walsh, Andy Roberts, Shaun Pollock, Wes Hall, Ricky Ponting,Everton Weekes,Ricky Ponting, Inzamam Ul Haq, Adam Gillchrist, Andy Flower, Jason Gillespie,Ian Bishop, Clyde Walcott, Dennis Compton,George Headley, Desmond Haynes, Gordon Greenidge, Rohan Kanhai, Clive Lloyd, Ken Barrington and many others before you can form your opinion or any sort of heirarchy.



A good knowledge of cricket and its history is important to form an educated opinion and i personally prefer a statistical analysis ( it cuts out a lotta hype, aura, legend,etc. BS) but inorder to conduct such an analysis in a coherent way, one has to know which teams were dominant during which periods of time, how the pitches usually played at a given venue or in a particular decade, what were the match play situation, etc etc.
Ofcourse, some people tend to go by their perceptions of some player's reputation and their 'legend' and tend to rate them higher than statistical interpretations.

I recommend surfing the amazon.com for cricketing books and various websites for cricketing tapes/DvDs, since you will find them hard to come by in Italy.
Cheers!


PS: Legend : RHB- Right handed batsman, LHB- left handed batsman, RF- Right Arm fast, LF- Left Arm fast, RFM- Right Arm fast medium, OB- Off Break, LB- Leg Break, SLA- Slow Left Arm Orthodox.
 
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