Test batsmen and bowlers peaks. Criteria: At least 5 years and at least 40 innings

[Prince EWS]

There's also the fact that talking about interesting and impressive peaks is different from player comparison threads. No-one goes into a Mark Waugh v Steve Waugh thread and says, "Steve was better in Tests but Mark was much better in county cricket."

 

[Coronis]

There's also the fact that talking about interesting and impressive peaks is different from player comparison threads. No-one goes into a Mark Waugh v Steve Waugh thread and says, "Steve was better in Tests but Mark was much better in country cricket."

Whats the difference between Tests and country cricket?










sorry

 

[peterhrt]

There's also the fact that talking about interesting and impressive peaks is different from player comparison threads. No-one goes into a Mark Waugh v Steve Waugh thread and says, "Steve was better in Tests but Mark was much better in county cricket."

Good call on Mark Waugh. He is the Australian with the most first-class runs over a five-year period when county cricket is included.

Leaders from each of the main Test-playing nations:

England. Len Hutton (17 Oct 1946 - 11 Sep 1951): 17645 runs, average 64.16 / 61 centuries. 183 catches / 191 matches, 312 innings.
South Africa. Barry Richards (22 May 1968 - 18 May 1973): 15062 runs, average 58.15 / 43 centuries. 174 catches / 163 matches, 284 innings.
New Zealand. Glenn Turner (17 Jan 1970 - 12 Jan 1975): 13779 runs, average 54.89 / 45 centuries. 148 catches / 172 matches, 294 innings.
Pakistan. Zaheer Abbas (2 Nov 1973 - 1 Nov 1978): 13232 runs, average 53.14 / 41 centuries. 120 catches / 157 matches, 275 innings.
Zimbabwe. Graeme Hick (1 Oct 1985 - 21 Sep 1990): 13027 runs, average 68.56 / 49 centuries. 98 wickets. 159 catches / 137 matches, 219 innings.
West Indies. Roy Marshall (7 Aug 1957 - 3 Aug 1962): 12507 runs, average 40.73 / 26 centuries. 87 catches / 176 matches, 322 innings.
Australia. Mark Waugh (20 April 1989 - 29 March 1994): 12116 runs, average 60.27 / 53 centuries. 109 wickets. 181 catches / 152 matches, 235 innings.
India. Sunil Gavaskar (25 Oct 1975 - 29 Aug 1980): 9513 runs, average 55.30 / 34 centuries. 97 catches / 120 matches, 189 innings.
Sri Lanka. Gehan Mendis (6 May 1981 - 2 May 1986): 7606 runs, average 38.60 / 18 centuries, 38 catches / 123 matches, 218 innings.
Bangladesh. Tushar Imran (30 Jan 2014 - 27 Dec 2018): 5187 runs, average 60.31 / 18 centuries. 21 catches / 66 matches, 99 innings.

Roy Marshall scored one more run than Viv Richards.

 

[Coronis]

Never heard of Tushar Imran before, overall FC average of 42, anyone know more about him and why he didn’t play for Bangladesh for 14 years til his retirement?

 

[smash84]

Never heard of Tushar Imran before, overall FC average of 42, anyone know more about him and why he didn’t play for Bangladesh for 14 years til his retirement?

Was thinking the same

 

[Migara]

Never heard of Tushar Imran before, overall FC average of 42, anyone know more about him and why he didn’t play for Bangladesh for 14 years til his retirement?

He played some games. Generally was unimpressive

 

[Coronis]

He played some games. Generally was unimpressive

Yeah I mean, played only 5 tests from the age of 18-23, 40 ODI’s in the same period, seems a bit hard done by in tests especially..

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

15,000 runs in first-class cricket over a five-year period:

Hobbs (6 Sep 1909 - 1 Sep 1914): 15421 runs, average 46.87 / 41 centuries. 125 catches.
Hendren (10 June 1925 - 6 June 1930): 16759 runs, average 65.98 / 62 centuries. 207 catches.
Sandham (19 Oct 1926 - 9 Sep 1931): 15337 runs, average 55.56 / 50 centuries. 65 catches.
Herbert Sutcliffe (9 Dec 1927 - 7 Dec 1932): 16835 runs, average 70.14 / 64 centuries. 112 catches.
Hammond (1 Sep 1934 - 29 Aug 1939): 16634 runs, average 60.70 / 59 centuries. 203 wickets. 214 catches.
Compton (25 May 1946 - 22 May 1951): 16890 runs, average 65.21 / 68 centuries. 305 wickets. 171 catches.
Hutton (17 Oct 1946 - 11 Sep 1951): 17645 runs, average 64.16 / 61 centuries. 183 catches.
Barry Richards (22 May 1968 - 18 May 1973): 15062 runs, average 58.15 / 43 centuries. 174 catches.

10,000 runs in five years, with no county cricket:

Bradman (8 Nov 1929 - 11 Sep 1934): 11754 runs, average 93.28 / 42 centuries. 47 catches.
Bobby Simpson (20 Nov 1959 - 17 Nov 1964): 11803 runs, average 65.20 / 36 centuries. 217 wickets. 184 catches.
Greg Chappell (8 Jan 1972 - 6 Jan 1977): 10280 runs, average 65.06 / 33 centuries. 104 wickets. 149 catches.

What is Bradman’s best 5 year average?

 

[peterhrt]

What is Bradman’s best 5 year average?

Bradman (8 November 1935 - 11 March 1940): 8985 runs, average 109.57 / 41 centuries. 52 catches + 1 stumping / 68 matches, 94 innings.

He played no cricket between 11 September 1934 and 7 November 1935 due to illness. And none between 12 March and 24 December 1940, nor between 5 January 1941 and 23 December 1945, due to war.

The last phase of his career took place between 24 December 1945 and 8 March 1949:

5204 runs, average 92.92 / 25 centuries. 28 catches / 46 matches, 64 innings.

 

[Days of Grace]

srbhkshk, would it be possible to post a peak list based on at least 25 matches and at least 5 years for both Test batsmen and bowlers? Cheers.

 

[ataraxia]

Never heard of Tushar Imran before, overall FC average of 42, anyone know more about him and why he didn’t play for Bangladesh for 14 years til his retirement?

This was one of PEWS' gripes btw. Bangladesh's very own Fawad Alam.

 

[Prince EWS]

Never heard of Tushar Imran before, overall FC average of 42, anyone know more about him and why he didn’t play for Bangladesh for 14 years til his retirement?

There were concerns about his fielding/fitness/attitude, but beyond anything else I think their selection policy has always just advocated for throwing in the next big thing from Under 19 cricket and sacking them forever if they look ****. Tushar was picked way too early and then cast aside as a proven failure before he was actually any good.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Yeah Bangladesh certainly not averse to some industrial strength GChappellism

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Good call on Mark Waugh. He is the Australian with the most first-class runs over a five-year period when county cricket is included.

Leaders from each of the main Test-playing nations:

England. Len Hutton (17 Oct 1946 - 11 Sep 1951): 17645 runs, average 64.16 / 61 centuries. 183 catches / 191 matches, 312 innings.
South Africa. Barry Richards (22 May 1968 - 18 May 1973): 15062 runs, average 58.15 / 43 centuries. 174 catches / 163 matches, 284 innings.
New Zealand. Glenn Turner (17 Jan 1970 - 12 Jan 1975): 13779 runs, average 54.89 / 45 centuries. 148 catches / 172 matches, 294 innings.
Pakistan. Zaheer Abbas (2 Nov 1973 - 1 Nov 1978): 13232 runs, average 53.14 / 41 centuries. 120 catches / 157 matches, 275 innings.
Zimbabwe. Graeme Hick (1 Oct 1985 - 21 Sep 1990): 13027 runs, average 68.56 / 49 centuries. 98 wickets. 159 catches / 137 matches, 219 innings.
West Indies. Roy Marshall (7 Aug 1957 - 3 Aug 1962): 12507 runs, average 40.73 / 26 centuries. 87 catches / 176 matches, 322 innings.
Australia. Mark Waugh (20 April 1989 - 29 March 1994): 12116 runs, average 60.27 / 53 centuries. 109 wickets. 181 catches / 152 matches, 235 innings.
India. Sunil Gavaskar (25 Oct 1975 - 29 Aug 1980): 9513 runs, average 55.30 / 34 centuries. 97 catches / 120 matches, 189 innings.
Sri Lanka. Gehan Mendis (6 May 1981 - 2 May 1986): 7606 runs, average 38.60 / 18 centuries, 38 catches / 123 matches, 218 innings.
Bangladesh. Tushar Imran (30 Jan 2014 - 27 Dec 2018): 5187 runs, average 60.31 / 18 centuries. 21 catches / 66 matches, 99 innings.

Roy Marshall scored one more run than Viv Richards.

Would be interesting to see Devon Conway's 1st class runs and average in the last 5 years - first played for Wellington in 2017/18. Obviously runs would be well behind Turner's due to GT playing so much county cricket.

 

[peterhrt]

Would be interesting to see Devon Conway's 1st class runs and average in the last 5 years - first played for Wellington in 2017/18. Obviously runs would be well behind Turner's due to GT playing so much county cricket.

Conway in first-class cricket:

March 2018 - January 2023: 3325 runs, average 60.45 / 9 centuries / 36 matches, 64 innings.

No first-class cricket between April 2017 and February 2018 when transferring from South Africa to New Zealand.

March 2009 - March 2017: 5076 runs, average 42.30 / 13 centuries / 86 matches, 135 innings.

Career total: 8401 runs, average 48.00 / 22 centuries / 122 matches, 199 innings.

 

[Fuller Pilch]

Conway in first-class cricket:

March 2018 - January 2023: 3325 runs, average 60.45 / 9 centuries / 36 matches, 64 innings.

No first-class cricket between April 2017 and February 2018 when transferring from South Africa to New Zealand.

March 2009 - March 2017: 5076 runs, average 42.30 / 13 centuries / 86 matches, 135 innings.

Career total: 8401 runs, average 48.00 / 22 centuries / 122 matches, 199 innings.

Thanks

 

[ataraxia]

Yeah he was actually damn good in 2nd division SA domestix too.

 

[srbhkshk]

srbhkshk, would it be possible to post a peak list based on at least 25 matches and at least 5 years for both Test batsmen and bowlers? Cheers.

Will try it sometime during the weekend.

 

[DCH]

I have settled on a method to analyze test batsmen and bowlers peaks. The criteria is at least five years AND 40 innings. It can be longer, of course. The goal is to find the best averages for each batsman and bowler within the set criteria. Unlike 40 innings or five calendar years, which are easy to calculate, five years and 40 innings involves sifting through a lot of data on cricinfo. So far for batsmen I have:

Bradman (29/12/1928-24/6/1938): 103.23
Sobers (26/2/1958-6/6/1963): 78.53
Smith (1/3/2014-4/9/2019): 77.11
Richards (23/1/1976-27/3/1981): 74.72
Ponting (16/8/2001-1/12/2006): 74.01
Walcott (15/2/1952-13/3/1958): 72.78
Hutton (5/3/1949-30/3/1954): 69.88
Tendulkar (2/1/1997-21/2/2002): 68.02
Barrington (25/1/1963-8/2/1968): 67.87
Hobbs (1/1/1910-28/6/1924): 65.65
Lara (15/12/2000-9/3/2006): 61.32

Imran Khan (22/3/1982-4/6/1987): 16.21
Marshall (28/4/1983-30/6/1988): 18.29

My request is for some help in finding the best peaks for both batsmen and bowlers according to the above criteria. Post your findings below and thanks in advance! See if you can improve on my above findings. I will continue to post more batsmen and bowlers in this original post.

Hi,

Like peaks for batsmen and bowlers have you done any thread on troughs?
I think active Indian specialist batsmen are going through one of worst troughs in test cricket, Pujara, Kohli, Rahul, Rahane etc.

 

[Coronis]

Hi,

Like peaks for batsmen and bowlers have you done any thread on troughs?
I think active Indian specialist batsmen are going through one of worst troughs in test cricket, Pujara, Kohli, Rahul, Rahane etc.

Glenn McGrath