Tendulkar vs Keith Miller

[BazBall21]

Not saying it doesn't, I made my argument as to why I think Miller is being over rated. I was answering to specific posts about eras, and that the 80's were miles off the standard of the modern era. Nothing comes close to the bowling standards of the 80's and 90s

90s was the greatest ever era for bowling.

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Objectively this is the era with best bowlers. Unless a rare thing of not having enough good bowlers, eg- 60s,00s the bowlers of a generation or 2 later will always be superior to earlier one. Anyway, doesn’t mean anything as a player is and rightfully so judged by standard of his time and not of decades later.

 

[kyear2]

Take a rest mate.

Lindwall and Miller vs WI, Lille and Thompson vs the WI in '75, when anyone pissed off the quartet. Donald gave Lara a good go when he was ready. There was a reason the bouncer rule was implemented.

But would allow that it wasn't always as sustained.

 

[BazBall21]

Bowling got quicker after the second world war, and again after 1970.

 

[kyear2]

Objectively this is the era with best bowlers. Unless a rare thing of not having enough good bowlers, eg- 60s,00s the bowlers of a generation or 2 later will always be superior to earlier one. Anyway, doesn’t mean anything as a player is and rightfully so judged by standard of his time and not of decades later.

That is not nearly true because we don't rate Sangakkara as highly as players from earlier or subsequent eras. The era matters,

 

[Coronis]

Bowling got quicker after the second world war, and again after 1970.

Bowling got even quicker in the 2000’s. So what?

Lindwall and Miller vs WI, Lille and Thompson vs the WI in '75, when anyone pissed off the quartet. Donald gave Lara a good go when he was ready. There was a reason the bouncer rule was implemented.

But would allow that it wasn't always as sustained.

Bouncer = Bodyline

Baka.

 

[kyear2]

Bowling got even quicker in the 2000’s. So what?



Bouncer = Bodyline

Baka.

Dear God you're being obtuse, and in purpose.

Hammond accused Martindale and Constantine of using body line tactics, Lindwall and Miller were accused of the same vs us and England. If I read those, so did you.

Lillee And Thompson definitely used them quite liberally as intimidation and to get wickets. Had a young Greenidge scared shitless and ineffective.

Why do you do this?

 

[Coronis]

Dear God you're being obtuse, and in purpose.

Hammond accused Martindale and Constantine of using body line tactics, Lindwall and Miller were accused of the same vs us and England. If I read those, so did you.

Lillee And Thompson definitely used them quite liberally as intimidation and to get wickets. Had a young Greenidge scared ****less and ineffective.

Why do you do this?

Martindale and Constantine did use Bodyline against the English in 1933 - that’s the whole reason the rules were changed, because the English realised it was actually ****ed when someone used it back against them.

The rest you’re just whinging about bouncers, which, news flash, isn’t the same as Bodyline.

What’s next, were Australia and England Bodylining each other in the Ashes this year?

Oh no Greenidge was scared shitless how awful.

 

[OverratedSanity]

(and body line was basically what the '50's, 70's and 80's were like),

This is shameless wilful ignorance

 

[kyear2]

This is shameless wilful ignorance

Genuinely isn't , but thanks for sharing.

 

[BazBall21]

OverratedSanity changing his or her profile picture is quite disorienting.

 

[kyear2]

Martindale and Constantine did use Bodyline against the English in 1933 - that’s the whole reason the rules were changed, because the English realised it was actually ****ed when someone used it back against them.

The rest you’re just whinging about bouncers, which, news flash, isn’t the same as Bodyline.

What’s next, were Australia and England Bodylining each other in the Ashes this year?

Oh no Greenidge was scared ****less how awful.

This was the first result of a single Google search. We try to make certain events in the past to much more than they were.

I've read and heard what Lindwall and Miller did referred to as body line tactics, it has been repeated in history, it really wasn't unique to one series.

Bodyline

There was outrage over England's tactics in the 1932-33 Ashes, but in the years that followed bouncers shocked no one

www.espncricinfo.com

 

[Patience and Accuracy+Gut]

Bowling got quicker after the second world war, and again after 1970.

It got quicker again in 2000s. Ofc there are freaks like Larwood and Thommo in between. Larwood was most probably quicker than anyone till Thommo who was perhaps quicker and Thommo is still arguably at least in The fastest ever discussion.

Left arm quick have ofc seen the highest change. There is no comparison really between The speed of left armers of Fab 4 era with any earlier times.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Genuinely isn't , but thanks for sharing.

Bodyline wasn't just bouncers. It's been discussed several times but you choose to ignore it. It's kinda dumb honestly but carry on, I've got zero patience left.

 

[kyear2]

Bodyline wasn't just bouncers. It's been discussed several times but you choose to ignore it. It's kinda dumb honestly but carry on, I've got zero patience left.

What is beyond dumb is for you to ignore the context of the argument to suit your narrow perspective. But it's nothing less than I've come to expect.

 

[Coronis]

This was the first result of a single Google search. We try to make certain events in the past to much more than they were.

I've read and heard what Lindwall and Miller did referred to as body line tactics, it has been repeated in history, it really wasn't unique to one series.

Bodyline

There was outrage over England's tactics in the 1932-33 Ashes, but in the years that followed bouncers shocked no one

www.espncricinfo.com

Did you even read the article? Do you even know what Bodyline constitutes?

 

[Prince EWS]

Viv's "inflated" acclaim being entirely down to strike rate is mythical. Similar story with Barrington but the complete reverse.

Viv was definitely better than his Test average suggests for non-SR-related reasons, but when all a player's biggest fans keep telling me what sets him apart are reasons I think lie on a scale from "don't matter at all" to "are vastly exaggerated in their importance" then it's hard for me to rate him that highly.

If someone says Viv is the second best ever it's never "he averaged 67 over a period of 6 years and 58 over a period of 10 years in an era not particularly easy for batting" - it's always "he dOmInAtEd great bowlers".

 

[karan_fromthestands]

What was Miller's bowling speed?

Upwards of 90mph. I think he must be averaging 94-95mph.

Incredibly diverse, often overlooked talent.

 

[karan_fromthestands]

Do you rate any cricketers who are not premodern Australians?

They exist?

 

[Adorable Asshole]

Upwards of 90mph. I think he must be averaging 94-95mph.

Incredibly diverse, often overlooked talent.

Doubt it. Even Rauf, Starc and Wood don't average 94. And they are the fastest going around these days.