Tendulkar/Hobbs vs Marshall/McGrath

[Coronis]

To put it in context its like the Indian batting of the 2020’s.

 

[Prince EWS]

why u hate me pews

It's the Gooch stuff.

 

[Johan]

It's the Gooch stuff.

don't I redeem myself by being anti checklisting

 

[Coronis]

It's the Gooch stuff.

The Gooch does not like being lied to.

 

[Johan]

I mean obviously that NZ team wasn’t the greatest batting unit but it feels like they get a bit more downplayed than actually deserved.

True, I doubt that New Zealand would've won either 1985 Perth or 1987 Christ Church without their batting lineup contributing

 

[capt_Luffy]

True, I doubt that New Zealand would've won either 1985 Perth or 1987 Christ Church without their batting lineup contributing

I would say I am confirm they won't had won anything without a contribution from their batting line-up

 

[Johan]

I would say I am confirm they won't had won anything without a contribution from their batting line-up

Hi confirm, I'm Johan

 

[sayon basak]

I would say I am confirm

What do you mean?

 

[capt_Luffy]

Hi confirm, I'm Johan

Congratulations on the birth of your Child

What do you mean?

You plain suck poopy pants. Go suck Greg Chappell.

 

[Johan]

Congratulations on the birth of your Child

I've never felt such urge to strangle someone from behind the computer.

 

[sayon basak]

You plain suck poopy pants. Go suck Greg Chappell.

I just did.

 

[sayon basak]

I've never felt such urge to strangle someone from behind the computer.

You didn't tell you became a father. Congrats man!

 

[Migara]

I mean I’ve seen people routinely here and outside CW often have Hobbs and Tendulkar above any pure bowler.

Excluding Bradman as an outlier, the vast majority would also consider thel best player ever to have been a batting allrounder

The one right next to Sobers is Imran. And we know what he is. And I woukd pick either of these over Bradman too.

 

[subshakerz]

I mean obviously that NZ team wasn’t the greatest batting unit but it feels like they get a bit more downplayed than actually deserved.

They were a top tier team of the era and I don't think they on batting merits they could be.

 

[Coronis]

The one right next to Sobers is Imran. And we know what he is. And I woukd pick either of these over Bradman too.

And like I said, the vast majority have Sobers ahead.

 

[Migara]

And like I said, the vast majority have Sobers ahead.

That is not the aargument though. Imran and Sobers are of very similar quality. There is no major gap between them. Bowling ARs also be quality.

 

[Coronis]

That is not the aargument though. Imran and Sobers are of very similar quality. There is no major gap between them. Bowling ARs also be quality.

You clearly haven’t read the discussion leading up to it and missed the point completely. Good job.

 

[kyear2]

McGrath averaged 27 with a strike rate of 72 against in 17 Tests against the second best team of his era.

In Asian pitches where are often regarded as the greatest test for a fast bowler, he took just one 5-Fer in 19 Tests in Asia which is not impressive.

While those can be used a fairly handy argument for why he's not the GOAT, it's really not a deal breaker here.

There are two major reasons why Sachin is seem a a contender for best after Bradman. His longevity being one and his record in the 90's being the other.

The intimation of his record in the 90's is that he was brilliant vs all the great pace attacks in the 90's and I don't recall that being the case.

I'm not going to pretend that I have the numbers in front of me, but from memory as I fight sleep awaiting qualifying in Japan, he averaged in the mid or low 30's in matches featuring Donald, Wasim and possibly McGrath.

How is that any different from any perceived issues with McGrath's record.

 

[Johan]

I'm not going to pretend that I have the numbers in front of me, but from memory as I fight sleep awaiting qualifying in Japan, he averaged in the mid or low 30's in matches featuring Donald, Wasim and possibly McGrath.

I'll do this for you

Allan Donald
11 matches, 658 runs @ 32.90, 2 hundreds and 2 fifties in 20 innings.

Glenn McGrath
9 matches, 662 runs @ 36.77, 2 hundreds and 5 fifties in 18 innings.

Wasim Akram
7 matches, 395 runs @32.91, 1 hundred and 2 fifties in 12 innings

Curtly Ambrose
3 matches, 289 runs @ 57.80, no hundreds and 3 fifties in 6 innings.

Dale Steyn
8 matches, 675 runs @ 56.25, 4 hundreds and 1 fifty in 14 innings.

Shaun Pollock
12 matches, 834 runs @ 39.71, 2 hundreds and 3 fifties in 23 innings.

Waqar Younis
4 matches, 278 runs @ 39.71, 1 hundred and 1 fifty in 7 innings.

Courtney Walsh
7 matches, 595 runs @ 66.11, 1 hundred and 4 fifties in 10 innings.

James Anderson
14 matches, 804 runs @ 32.16, 1 hundred and 5 fifties in 26 innings.

all the great pacers I can think of, thought about Including in someone like Shoaib or Bond, decided against it.

 

[Johan]

Meh, let's just roll with it

Shane Bond
2 matches, 100 runs @ 25.00, 0 hundreds and 0 fifties in 4 innings.

Shoaib Akhtar
9 matches, 416 runs @ 41.60, 1 hundred and 2 fifties in 12 innings.

his record against the spinners is mindblowing

Muralidharan
19 matches, 1,216 runs @ 48.64, 5 hundreds and 4 fifties in 26 innings.

Warne
12 matches, 1,209 runs @ 60.45, 5 hundreds and 5 fifties in 22 innings.