Tendulkar/Hobbs vs Marshall/McGrath

[OverratedSanity]

These ones have a lot of context though, 4 tests against Pak were in his debut series against Wasim, Waqar and Imran and majority of the rest were in the 05-07 time (post tennis elbow), where he was struggling against everyone. Only played them once in his prime, and played arguably his best inns ever against them at Chepauk.
As for SA, he is arguably the greatest touring bat ever to SA, although his home record is definitely disappointing against them.

One of McG's series vs SA was also early career tbf. I'd still easily take Sachin's record vs SA over his though

 

[DrWolverine]

I don’t criticise McGrath for his record in Pakistan or SriLanka.

I do criticise him for his lack of 5-Fers and match winning performances in Asian pitches though

 

[DrWolverine]

Donald gets criticised for his record against Australia
14 Tests. 53 wkts . Avg of 31. SR of 61 and 2 5-Fers

The same logic should be applied to McGrath.
17 Tests. 57 wickets. Avg of 27. SR of 72 and 2 5-Fers

 

[subshakerz]

I don’t criticise McGrath for his record in Pakistan or SriLanka.

I do criticise him for his lack of 5-Fers and match winning performances in Asian pitches though

Yeah its not a critique per se but I would definitely take Marshall over him on a flat wicket.

 

[Coronis]

The matchwinners and more valuable players are the pace duo here.

I disagree, batsmen are matchwinners too.

Anyway as I’ve said before trying to compare batsmen and bowlers is stupid imo.

Even comparing a bowling allrounder vs a batting allrounder (e.g Sobers/Kallis vs Imran/Hadlee) is bordering on rough for me.

Obvious reason why I voted the way I did.

 

[Coronis]

Donald gets criticised for his record against Australia
14 Tests. 53 wkts . Avg of 31. SR of 61 and 2 5-Fers

The same logic should be applied to McGrath.
17 Tests. 57 wickets. Avg of 27. SR of 72 and 2 5-Fers

I think Donald’s record against Australia is overstated a little.

His last 3 matches (back to back series away and home in 01/02, final 3 matches of career) - 5 @ 62.00. iirc he was pretty much done at that point, someone who watched those series to confirm..

Prior to that his record was pretty good imo against the strongest comp

11 matches 48 @ 27.85 SR 58 2 5’fers

Surprisingly was averaging 32 at home and 23 away.

 

[subshakerz]

I think Donald’s record against Australia is overstated a little.

His last 3 matches (back to back series away and home in 01/02, final 3 matches of career) - 5 @ 62.00. iirc he was pretty much done at that point, someone who watched those series to confirm..

Prior to that his record was pretty good imo against the strongest comp

11 matches 48 @ 27.85 SR 58 2 5’fers

Surprisingly was averaging 32 at home and 23 away.

He only really had one quality series against Aus though in 97 and tended to underperform at key moments.

 

[Coronis]

He only really had one quality series against Aus though in 97 and tended to underperform at key moments.

Actually, he was quite key in all their victories, and I would say the only time he underperformed in a key moment would be in the 2nd test in 1997. 0/75 as Australia chased 270 with 2 wickets to spare. Most other Aussie victories then were complete dominations.

 

[subshakerz]

Actually, he was quite key in all their victories, and I would say the only time he underperformed in a key moment would be in the 2nd test in 1997. 0/75 as Australia chased 270 with 2 wickets to spare. Most other Aussie victories then were complete dominations.

I mean, the complete domination was partly due to his underperformance especially at home. Like him and Pollock being wicketless for an entire day in 1st test 96/97 after the match was in the balance.

In the 97 series in Aus, 2nd test, he bowled well earlier against the Waugh twins but oddly was kept out of the attack after that until Aus already had a lead. That turned out to be the deciding test.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

27 is fine as an average for me as long as your WPM and SR are good. But it's not vs SA.

Wpm is a function of who else is in your attack. You know this. You cant expect someone like Warne to have near the wpm as a murali for obvious reasons.

 

[OverratedSanity]

Wpm is a function of who else is in your attack. You know this. You cant expect someone like Warne to have near the wpm as a murali for obvious reasons.

His wpm is low vs sa even taking that into account imo. McGrath easily maintained well over 4 wpm against almost everyone else I think.

 

[DrWolverine]

Yes

McGrath has a 4+ WPM against everyone else

 

[Arachnödouche2.0]

McGrath's record against SA always confuses me because you'd expect him to have done better considering how dominant his team was and how he was notorious at exploiting mental weaknesses in opponents and well, the Saffers, second-best team though they might've been at this time, were still prone to disintegrating against the Aussies.

 

[subshakerz]

Wpm is a function of who else is in your attack. You know this. You cant expect someone like Warne to have near the wpm as a murali for obvious reasons.

McGrath is the lead pacer of that attack and took easily 4WPM in other series so that isn't an excuse.

 

[subshakerz]

McGrath's record against SA always confuses me because you'd expect him to have done better considering how dominant his team was and how he was notorious at exploiting mental weaknesses in opponents and well, the Saffers, second-best team though they might've been at this time, were still prone to disintegrating against the Aussies.

It was mainly at home. He didn't perform badly against them there but was just quiet most of the time really while Warne mopped them up.

 

[Sliferxxxx]

His wpm is low vs sa even taking that into account imo. McGrath easily maintained well over 4 wpm against almost everyone else I think.

That's true. Maybe they just had his number more than most.

 

[kyear2]

Don't know about the insanity part, but all else being relatively equal, gimme a atg bowler over batsman any day.

Yeah, this.

 

[Johan]

Hobbs = Bret Hart

 

[sayon basak]

Hobbs = Bret Hart

One is a sportsman, the other is not.

 

[Johan]

One is a sportsman, the other is not.

Both are masters tho