Sunil blasts the Australians

[Sanz]

Right then. This thread is controversial enough, so why not I add something to the cause as well?

I'm going to start with addressing two posters: C_C and Social. You both are consistently extreme in your views! Whenever there is a controversial topic involving the West in general and Australia in particular, I know that C_C will come in and rip them a new one. And whenever the sub-continent is in the news, I know Social will come in blasting away. The net effect of seeing this happen time and time again is that both of your postings are simply dismissed by me (and I suspect quite a few more people). I don’t mean to be disrespectful when I say that. I read your posts for sure, but I know that they will contain extreme views when it comes to Aus/Sub-continent so I don't put any weight on them. For a contrast, take a read over this thread. You have guys like Fuller, Pasag, HB, Sanz etc that are debating as well. I don't agree with all their views, but at least I'm going to give them consideration because I know they're not ALWAYS going to be blasting Australia or the sub-continent on something. Just my two cents guys. Perhaps I will unite you both into attacking me, thus making this thread a little less contentious.

As for the Gavaskar issue, I think that he is right when he says the Australian team as a whole is misbehaved. However, I don't think Aus is the only team that is guilty of this, they're just the most prominent due to their success. Gavaskar may be no saint, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. By the way, I don't think sledging is that big of an issue. Unlike SS's view however, I do think there is an imaginary boundary that should not be crossed.

Lastly, I don't think Gavaskar's comments on Hookes were intended to be malicious. I think he gave a spur-of-the-moment example that was in bad taste. I do think, however, that Gavaskar's comment on the WI crowd was appalling. He should know better than to say something like that. Even those of us who admire Gavaskar should be able to admit that he was wrong in this particular instance. Admitting he was wrong would not take away from his original point either, so please don't box yourself into a corner.

Thanks Fusion for bringing some sanity in the thread.

 

[silentstriker]

And here I thought I always bring sanity into threads.

 

[Sanz]

Slater thought he caught the ball and was annoyed that the batsman didnt take him at his word - it happens

Have you even watched the game ? It was probably the worst behavior in the history along with Mcgrath's outburst in WI.

But I dont expect you to notice that. Slater knew he didn't catch the ball, he was annoyed that Dravid caught him cheating and the umpires agreed with Dravid.

 

[Sanz]

I feel exactly the same way. If Slater could get under Dravid's skin, it would be ludicrous to not try. Your chance of beating India rises exponentially without Dravid.

Seriously, If you watched that incident and thought there was nothing wrong with Slater's conduct then I guess your doing nothing but clutching at straws.

It had nothing to do with getting under Dravi'd skin and Dravid was hardly the batsmen he is today, he was an Aussie Bunny until that test match.

 

[silentstriker]

Seriously, If you watched that incident and thought there was nothing wrong with Slater's conduct then I guess your doing nothing but clutching at straws.

It had nothing to do with getting under Dravi'd skin and Dravid was hardly the batsmen he is today, he was an Aussie Bunny until that test match.

I did watch - and getting in the umpires face was stupid. And the reason I didn't mention it earlier is because he wasn't our premier batsman at that time, and I know that Slater did it cause he was having some personal problems and just lost his cool. Regardless, as long as it doesn't delay the game, I don't have a problem with guys getting in each others faces.

 

[silentstriker]

That's pretty shocking!

Yup. You can't defend Gavaskar and attack Gibbs (or vice versa). Its exactly the same thing.

 

[The_Bunny]

Have you even watched the game ? It was probably the worst behavior in the history along with Mcgrath's outburst in WI.

But I dont expect you to notice that. Slater knew he didn't catch the ball, he was annoyed that Dravid caught him cheating and the umpires agreed with Dravid.

So you know for a fact that he didnt know?

 

[vic_orthdox]

When asked whether he heard Hookes tell the bouncers that the establishment would "cop it" on air, Phillips said, "I assume that was the tack he was taking."

The fact that Hookes was hosting a radio show at the time probably should be noted.

 

[archie mac]

Have you even watched the game ? It was probably the worst behavior in the history along with Mcgrath's outburst in WI.

But I dont expect you to notice that. Slater knew he didn't catch the ball, he was annoyed that Dravid caught him cheating and the umpires agreed with Dravid.

Slater said sorry in his book for this, I don't think he realised how bad it looked. I have no doubt he thought he caught the ball, he was fined move on. I think the captain should have intervened and taken control of the situation.

A much worse incident was Warne running down the pitch to abuse a batsman he dismissed in SA, now that was way over the top

 

[Sanz]

The fact that Hookes was hosting a radio show at the time probably should be noted.

OfCourse, I know that and understaood that He threatened to bring up the matter on his show. Kinda goes on prove that he was an innocent bystander there. It is unfortunate that it cost him his life, but he himself was responsible for it.

 

[Swervy]

OfCourse, I know that and understaood that He threatened to bring up the matter on his show. Kinda goes on prove that he was an innocent bystander there. It is unfortunate that it cost him his life, but he himself was responsible for it.

sorry, am i reading this right..Hookes was responsible for his own death????

 

[R_D]

sorry, am i reading this right..Hookes was responsible for his own death????

His actions were.... most people should know by now bouncer's are dickhead's in melbourne well they have to be as you get tones of wackos just looking to cause trouble.

 

[Richard]

I'm going to start with addressing two posters: C_C and Social. You both are consistently extreme in your views! Whenever there is a controversial topic involving the West in general and Australia in particular, I know that C_C will come in and rip them a new one. And whenever the sub-continent is in the news, I know Social will come in blasting away. The net effect of seeing this happen time and time again is that both of your postings are simply dismissed by me (and I suspect quite a few more people). I don’t mean to be disrespectful when I say that. I read your posts for sure, but I know that they will contain extreme views when it comes to Aus/Sub-continent so I don't put any weight on them. For a contrast, take a read over this thread. You have guys like Fuller, pasag, hbh, Sanz etc that are debating as well. I don't agree with all their views, but at least I'm going to give them consideration because I know they're not ALWAYS going to be blasting Australia or the sub-continent on something. Just my two cents guys. Perhaps I will unite you both into attacking me, thus making this thread a little less contentious.

Amazed people don't say this sort of stuff more often, TBH.

 

[R_D]

If you want to criticise Australians for something they're actually guilty of, be my guest!

The Chappells, Lillee, Thomson, Steve Waugh, McGrath, etc etc etc etc
etc etc etc etc etc etc were shocking sledgers

But please dont pretend that some from the subcontinent were any better

I support Australia but we've had some ordinary human beings play for us.

It's about time that some people from other countries woke up and admitted that not all their heroes are as nice as you'd have us believe

Actually Sub-cont players are much more behaved than Australian team, we don't have to pretend its teh truth.
Some of the real champs of sub-cont haven't made a real fool out of themselves like some of the aussie players
Mcgrath was a **** throguh out his career until he hit puberty few years back. Shane Warne does anything need to be said about the guy, he's been a dick on and off field. Ricky Ponting, Lee to name a few.

In general yes Sub-cont players are much more behaved than the aussies.

 

[C_C]

But please dont pretend that some from the subcontinent were any better

Typical denial mode of saying ' yeah well its all equal'. which is categorically false.

 

[C_C]

I actually thought your post was a joke - my bad

1. Gavaskar took 174 balls to score 36 no chasing 334 - in the process, he was criticised world-wide, most of all in his own country

A poor performance no doubt but a clear fabrication to say that he fixed the match like you implied.

2. Lillee was involved in a kicking match with a Pakistani not an Indian (Miandad threatened him with a bat BTW and both were equally culpable) - Gavaskar behaved like a child and was treated as such

Lillee tried to kick Gavaskar too- which is what triggered Gavaskar's actions. If anyone was behaving like a spoilt brat and had a long history of behaving like a spoilt brat, its Lillee.

3. Give up - you criticise Gibbs but support Sunny

Yes because Sunny commented on the hostile fans in the stadium only while Gibbs extended his comments towards the whole nation of Pakistan. One is calling it as it is, the other is a generalized bull****.

4. Shame on you for suggesting that this was anything but a tragedy. Hookes might not nave been the greatest person and he might not have behaved appropriately on the night (although no evidence suggests that he did anything particularly wrong) but bringinging it into this debate reflects poorly on only one person

It was a tragedy but it could very well be a case of 'too much lip at the wrong time and wrong place costs you your head'.

 

[Slow Love™]

Probably one of the most depressing threads I've seen at CW.

 

[pasag]

Right then. This thread is controversial enough, so why not I add something to the cause as well?

I'm going to start with addressing two posters: C_C and Social. You both are consistently extreme in your views! Whenever there is a controversial topic involving the West in general and Australia in particular, I know that C_C will come in and rip them a new one. And whenever the sub-continent is in the news, I know Social will come in blasting away. The net effect of seeing this happen time and time again is that both of your postings are simply dismissed by me (and I suspect quite a few more people). I don’t mean to be disrespectful when I say that. I read your posts for sure, but I know that they will contain extreme views when it comes to Aus/Sub-continent so I don't put any weight on them. For a contrast, take a read over this thread. You have guys like Fuller, Pasag, HB, Sanz etc that are debating as well. I don't agree with all their views, but at least I'm going to give them consideration because I know they're not ALWAYS going to be blasting Australia or the sub-continent on something. Just my two cents guys. Perhaps I will unite you both into attacking me, thus making this thread a little less contentious.

As for the Gavaskar issue, I think that he is right when he says the Australian team as a whole is misbehaved. However, I don't think Aus is the only team that is guilty of this, they're just the most prominent due to their success. Gavaskar may be no saint, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. By the way, I don't think sledging is that big of an issue. Unlike SS's view however, I do think there is an imaginary boundary that should not be crossed.

Lastly, I don't think Gavaskar's comments on Hookes were intended to be malicious. I think he gave a spur-of-the-moment example that was in bad taste. I do think, however, that Gavaskar's comment on the WI crowd was appalling. He should know better than to say something like that. Even those of us who admire Gavaskar should be able to admit that he was wrong in this particular instance. Admitting he was wrong would not take away from his original point either, so please don't box yourself into a corner.

Pretty much the best poster ever, tbh.

 

[FRAZ]

Right then. This thread is controversial enough, so why not I add something to the cause as well?

I'm going to start with addressing two posters: C_C and Social. You both are consistently extreme in your views! Whenever there is a controversial topic involving the West in general and Australia in particular, I know that C_C will come in and rip them a new one. And whenever the sub-continent is in the news, I know Social will come in blasting away. The net effect of seeing this happen time and time again is that both of your postings are simply dismissed by me (and I suspect quite a few more people). I don’t mean to be disrespectful when I say that. I read your posts for sure, but I know that they will contain extreme views when it comes to Aus/Sub-continent so I don't put any weight on them. For a contrast, take a read over this thread. You have guys like Fuller, Pasag, HB, Sanz etc that are debating as well. I don't agree with all their views, but at least I'm going to give them consideration because I know they're not ALWAYS going to be blasting Australia or the sub-continent on something. Just my two cents guys. Perhaps I will unite you both into attacking me, thus making this thread a little less contentious.

As for the Gavaskar issue, I think that he is right when he says the Australian team as a whole is misbehaved. However, I don't think Aus is the only team that is guilty of this, they're just the most prominent due to their success. Gavaskar may be no saint, but that doesn't mean he's wrong. By the way, I don't think sledging is that big of an issue. Unlike SS's view however, I do think there is an imaginary boundary that should not be crossed.

Lastly, I don't think Gavaskar's comments on Hookes were intended to be malicious. I think he gave a spur-of-the-moment example that was in bad taste. I do think, however, that Gavaskar's comment on the WI crowd was appalling. He should know better than to say something like that. Even those of us who admire Gavaskar should be able to admit that he was wrong in this particular instance. Admitting he was wrong would not take away from his original point either, so please don't box yourself into a corner.

Excellent and absolutely true .
Quoting the whole post again and it's pretty much what I have said but in different episodes . You are hired Fusion !!

 

[social]

A poor performance no doubt but a clear fabrication to say that he fixed the match like you implied.



Lillee tried to kick Gavaskar too- which is what triggered Gavaskar's actions. If anyone was behaving like a spoilt brat and had a long history of behaving like a spoilt brat, its Lillee.



Yes because Sunny commented on the hostile fans in the stadium only while Gibbs extended his comments towards the whole nation of Pakistan. One is calling it as it is, the other is a generalized bull****.



It was a tragedy but it could very well be a case of 'too much lip at the wrong time and wrong place costs you your head'.

Enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrp53wKHgb0

Only one person to blame here

Your apology to Mr Lillee can be sent via the WACA