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Sunil blasts the Australians

Do you agree with Sunil Gavaskar’s assessment of the Australians?


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archie mac

International Coach
Great stuff, I watched Lillee with the Alu. bat as well, I did not remember fot wearing a helmet

I thought at the time Sunny got an edge, but hard to tell from that, still one of the greatest dummy spits in cricket, Johnny Mac would have been proud :laugh:
 

vic_orthdox

Global Moderator
Yeah, thought there was a deflection too. Sunny's yellow wristband was gold.

Obviously there was further context (other umpiring decisions leading up to this, for example) but if you get given out and don't walk, you will and should get told to get off the ground in no uncertain terms.
 

Anil

Hall of Fame Member
honestly, Anil, I dont think it was right even if McGrath's wife was in the pink of health. I just dont like the idea of cricketers including friends/family in these sledging and slanging matches. And the shock was not about Sarwan but about the fact that "that" kind of response was considered "routine" by the Australian players themselves. Perhaps it is because of their culture and their outlook towards life, which is perhaps different from ours.


That is why ICC needs to come up with some standards reg. sledging and stuff, abt wat is acceptable and what isn't. The current thing has too many grey areas for my liking.
i am not saying that either person was right, it's just that you seemed to be differentiating between the two remarks and saying one was more acceptable than the other just because one involved the other's wife and the other "merely" involved the other's captain? that is ridiculous...an obscenity is an obscenity is an obscenity....it should be unacceptable whether you attach it a player or a family member.....mcgrath was ready to dish it out, he should have been tough enough to take it as well, otherwise he should shut his trap and just concentrate on bowling...and regarding our culture, i don't know what you have been exposed to but i've heard plenty of people using those sort of comments and worse within our society so we are not the puritans you seem to take us to be...
 

Rajeev

U19 12th Man
Ponting goofs it up


Sunil Gavaskar must be grinning from one clever ear to the other. Columnists look to provoke discussion, for their words to be quoted and argued over `chai' before every column eventually becomes a shopping bag.

Occasionally, this satisfaction of being read is replaced by glee when one of the column's subjects unthinkingly decides to respond. Ricky Ponting's reaction to Gavaskar's comment about the Australians' behaviour qualifies.

Gavaskar's greatest, and only, serious indiscretion came during his walk-out in Australia; mostly he has been a staunch sentinel of cricket's spirit. For him the game is precious, a pursuit of skill, and honour. Still, his comment about ugly Australians was scarcely new. Even he has said it before. It is like flair and Brazil, and wrists and Indians.

Ponting, whose manner occasionally lacks the sophistication of his batting, should have let Gavaskar's observation pass unmolested like a ball outside off. However, once committed to a shot, his response should have been considered. Instead he flailed.

Factually incorrect


He said Sunny was a selector. This is factually incorrect. He suggested only "perfect" people should comment on the behaviour of others. But who is? He pointed to India's unhealthy Test record in recent times. Except the subject was not performance. When he said, "We all know the way he (Sunny) played his cricket, don't we?", we are confused. How did Sunny play? With immaculate technique? Still, some blows, inadvertently, hit home. His comment "If he (Sunny) is talking about us, what about the way India have played their cricket over the last few years" may have not addressed the argument, but it revealed what the Australian thinks of the Indian team. Not much apparently.

When he says of the two teams "I know who I would rather be going to watch", it is not a low blow but certainly as painful. Well, we could say if there was a World Cup for conduct, or style, we might win. Alas, these sound like consolation prizes.

Not that good behaviour can ever be over-rated, for the charming champion is a lovely image and one worth aspiring to. Occasionally fellows from Switzerland, speaking many languages with mouth and racquet, even fit that definition. Certainly sport has its share of popular winners, emphasising that men can uphold a game's spirit and play spiritedly at the same time.

Ponting hit one chord sweetly when he noted "If you are really dominating teams for a long period of time, I don't think you end up having too many supporters." Manchester United would agree and the New York Yankees concur. Teams on the rise are delicious, once dominant they are easy to be sniffy about. Emasculated rivals tend to bleat. Fans crave new blood and fresh adventure, and sometimes even a humbling of arrogant teams.

But not all dominant athletes turn tedious. Brazil in football has long been loved, Federer's streaks are hardly dismaying, and no one ever had enough of Seve Ballesteros. Still, these seem the exceptions.

It is all very confusing. For instance, at this cup, Indians will hope their players show a bit of, yes, Australianness. For all our art, we envy their unblinking competitiveness. We lack their sandpaper toughness, but don't desire their discourteousness. We haven't got our equation quite right, but neither have they.

It is possible the Australians have improved and that cricket's sinners are hardly limited to their team; it is also possible the Australians are unable to see their own unattractiveness. The hurling of balls at opponents, the mocking of rivals passed off as mental disintegration. What is acceptable to them is plain rude to others. Defenders of Sreesanth will do well to remember that.

Unfair labels


Labels, Ponting must know, once tattooed cannot be easily erased. The South Africans, despite their chase down of Australia's 434 last year, are considered chokers. It may be unfair stereotyping, but it's there. Only hard-earned victory, at a World Cup, will obliterate it.

Similarly, only a year or more of cricket played with grace, absent of disrespect, will tell us Ponting's team has forged its own identity, has broken completely with the recent past. Till then they have to grin and bear the words of men like Gavaskar
 

Fiery

Banned
Ponting's a chimp. I wouldn't expect anything else from him really. He's always been one of the less likeable characters in cricket (if you're not an Australian). Some of that has to do with the amount of times he's dined on kiwi bowling but most is due to his personality.

(Great post btw Rajeev)
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Actually Sub-cont players are much more behaved than Australian team, we don't have to pretend its teh truth.
Some of the real champs of sub-cont haven't made a real fool out of themselves like some of the aussie players
Mcgrath was a **** throguh out his career until he hit puberty few years back. Shane Warne does anything need to be said about the guy, he's been a dick on and off field. Ricky Ponting, Lee to name a few.

In general yes Sub-cont players are much more behaved than the aussies.
To be fair, over the last few years, the sub continental sides haven't exactly been pointedly better than anyone else when it comes to on the field behaviour. But perhaps till the late 90s, I would agree with you.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
i am not saying that either person was right, it's just that you seemed to be differentiating between the two remarks and saying one was more acceptable than the other just because one involved the other's wife and the other "merely" involved the other's captain? that is ridiculous...an obscenity is an obscenity is an obscenity....it should be unacceptable whether you attach it a player or a family member.....mcgrath was ready to dish it out, he should have been tough enough to take it as well, otherwise he should shut his trap and just concentrate on bowling...and regarding our culture, i don't know what you have been exposed to but i've heard plenty of people using those sort of comments and worse within our society so we are not the puritans you seem to take us to be...
yeah, well, it came out wrong. The point I meant was that, for someone like me, I dont mind a derogatory comment towards me as much as I would a derogatory comment about someone I love.


But derogatory insults and comments should be avoided as a whole. I do agree with that.
 

luffy

International Captain
Gavaskar's comments about David Hookes was absolutely disrespectful. He's a Downright ****wit imo. Excuse the language i just find it so disrespectful
 
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sirdj

State Vice-Captain
Former Indian captain Wadeker leans in as well. Says Aussie cricketers were rude enough to boo Bradman

Main points.
It was way back in 1967-68, the Indians had completed their tour, and there was a farewell dinner in Sydney organised by the Australian Board, where Sir Donald Bradman, considered God to the cricketing fraternity all over the world even now, was giving a speech. His goodbye speech was getting slightly long, when some Australian players started booing him. It was slow, but in chorus. We were all aghast, stunned and terribly embarrassed too.
 

silentstriker

The Wheel is Forever
In fact, when we had landed in Australia for that series, we were asked to clean the dust from the soles of our cricket shoes. It was as if the Aussies play the game in the air, never touching the dirt from the cricket ground.
:laugh:

Though this was unnecessary and bigoted:

I suppose this rude behaviour is in their blood and heredity.
 

Rajeev

U19 12th Man
Gavaskar's comments about David Hookes was absolutely disrespectful. He's a Downright ****wit imo. Excuse the language i just find it so disrespectful

I am sure you felt the same when players like Lehmann commented on Srilankans, Deano's goof-up as well
 

Sanz

Hall of Fame Member
Oh so now we are going to equate Racial slurs with Sunny's distasteful but somewhat correct remark ?
 

Swervy

International Captain
Lillee tried to kick Gavaskar too- which is what triggered Gavaskar's actions. If anyone was behaving like a spoilt brat and had a long history of behaving like a spoilt brat, its Lillee.
I didnt know Lillee tried to kick Gavaskar..Miandad yes (infact he succeeded on that one), but Gavaskar?

I watch the two incidents live, and I dont recall DK trying to kick Sunny...he pointed at his pads after Sunny started kicking up a stink
 

archie mac

International Coach
Oh so now we are going to equate Racial slurs with Sunny's distasteful but somewhat correct remark ?
I will settle for compare:)

To me personally (remember I am a white man) I would be more offended if someone refered to a friend that had died in a violent manner as having 'caused it themselves' (if in my opinion this was a blatent lie), then I would if someone called me a white bastard or worse.

To others I can see that a racial slur would be considered much, much worse, I am talking about myself here though.

And I think your claim that it is a somewhat correct remark as 100% spurious
 

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