Sunil blasts the Australians part II

[Burgey]

Well mate, you raise good rebuttals - salut!!

The point which I make re Gavaskar's comments should equally apply to those who sit on the committee with him, no matter where they are from.

 

[Googenheim]

Because he's doing the equivalent of flame-baiting other officials and the ICC itself, when he's an official of that organisation.

It is attitudes like this which has allowed the ZCU to carry on with its merry ways

 

[Googenheim]

How can an organisation have confidence in an office holder who plainly has no confidence in the organisation itself, and ascribes to that organisation and its employees various negative and in some cases unsavoury attributes?

He's entitled to his views of course, but I don't see how he can reconcile them with his holding a position with the ICC.

What do you suggest he do? Write ravishing articles on how well the ICC is doing its job? Play the fiddle while Rome burns?

 

[Top_Cat]

I am honestly astounded that you don't know the word "black" in almost every context of its usage has negative connotations.

Not in finance it doesn't. Being 'in the black' means you're doing well with being 'in the red' being all bad. So obviously what McLaurin meant was "The future is black...... financially speaking, because the BCCI has tons of money so we're going to be okay." I think that we can all agree that's what he really meant.

 

[Burgey]

It is attitudes like this which has allowed the ZCU to carry on with its merry ways

You'll have to explain that obtuse comment mate. To me it's about having some respect for the organisation whose office he holds. If he doesn't like what's going on, use his office to change it, rather than ranting on in the press. If he can't resist the latter option, brush the job.

What do you suggest he do? Write ravishing articles on how well the ICC is doing its job? Play the fiddle while Rome burns?

No. He either poops, or gets off the potty. He either works within the structures of the ICC as an official, or he brushes the job and writes whatever column he likes. In other words, to use your inapt example, he stops the fire starting by doing something about it within the organisation he's meant to be working for. You seem to be suggesting that the only way he can get anythng done is by writing in the press, instead of through his ICC role.

 

[Googenheim]

You'll have to explain that obtuse comment mate. To me it's about having some respect for the organisation whose office he holds. If he doesn't like what's going on, use his office to change it, rather than ranting on in the press. If he can't resist the latter option, brush the job.

No. He either poops, or gets off the potty. He either works within the structures of the ICC as an official, or he brushes the job and writes whatever column he likes. In other words, to use your inapt example, he stops the fire starting by doing something about it within the organisation he's meant to be working for. You seem to be suggesting that the only way he can get anythng done is by writing in the press, instead of through his ICC role.

He's on the Cricket Committee. He isn't the guy in charge of hriing the best guys for the job. If he finds qualified people are being shunned just because their origins make certain people paranoid, he can use the best tool he has at hand to highlight it. Simple as that. He was a media commentator long before the ICC approached him for his help. Seems like the ICC wanted a lackey rather than a person who actually cared for the betterment of the game. Gag orders don't work, mate.

 

[Burgey]

He's on the Cricket Committee. He isn't the guy in charge of hriing the best guys for the job. If he finds qualified people are being shunned just because their origins make certain people paranoid, he can use the best tool he has at hand to highlight it. Simple as that. He was a media commentator long before the ICC approached him for his help. Seems like the ICC wanted a lackey rather than a person who actually cared for the betterment of the game. Gag orders don't work, mate.

Wouldn't know what the ICC wanted, but if they were after a lackey they certainly went for the wrong bloke .

I take your point re media bans, they are problematic. Dunno what else I can say, I just see what he's said recently in the media and his current role as conflicting - guess we'll agree to disagree, but that's what this place is for .

 

[Googenheim]

Wouldn't know what the ICC wanted, but if they were after a lackey they certainly went for the wrong bloke .

I take your point re media bans, they are problematic. Dunno what else I can say, I just see what he's said recently in the media and his current role as conflicting - guess we'll agree to disagree, but that's what this place is for .

Yeah, fair enough, mate.

 

[Top_Cat]

Wouldn't know what the ICC wanted, but if they were after a lackey they certainly went for the wrong bloke .

I take your point re media bans, they are problematic. Dunno what else I can say, I just see what he's said recently in the media and his current role as conflicting - guess we'll agree to disagree, but that's what this place is for .

Depends on the terms of his employment. He was a pundit before he was with the ICC so it's possible that it's stipulated in his contract that his ability to speak his mind in press columns isn't compromised by his role at the ICC. That there's a meeting about this issue coming up suggests perhaps it's not the case in which case, he'll probably have to make a decision.

 

[honestbharani]

Not in finance it doesn't. Being 'in the black' means you're doing well with being 'in the red' being all bad. So obviously what McLaurin meant was "The future is black...... financially speaking, because the BCCI has tons of money so we're going to be okay." I think that we can all agree that's what he really meant.

Well, generally it is "blue" here... Being in the "blue" or "green" means you are doing well. But I am not into finance at all and whatever little I know are from my uncle, who is into banking and my cousin, who has studied Marketing.....

 

[Son Of Coco]

My point is that the terms 'black', 'dark' etc are used in everyday lexicon not necessarily out of racist undertones, but by a lack of awareness that they could be offensive.

' Blackballed ', ' Blacklisted ', ' Black sheep of the family', 'Black eye' , 'Its a dark day..' etc etc are used even by some reputable media to denote generally bad happenings.

Am not sure about McLaurins motives nor want to speculate specifically on that utterance, nor am I defending him.

Just making the point that people/publications use that term not necessarily out of racism, but out of habit/innocence/unawareness/ignorance...take your pick.

Just try typing ' Black Monday/Tuesday....' on the net and see how much hits you get, none of which portray happy happenings.

FWIW, I'm against using that term in any adverse context other than to describe a color.

I'm pretty sure black eye is a term used because that's the colour your eye goes when it gets bruised.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I am honestly astounded that you don't know the word "black" in almost every context of its usage has negative connotations.


And given the context of what MacLaurin said, it does have "racist" connotations as well, whether he meant it or not.

Right, like:

Black eye
Black paint
Black Hole Sun
Black and Blue
Black Car
Black Fence
Black Lounge
Black and White Television
Black Dress
Black Hair
Black Sky
Black Clouds
Black Gold

 

[Son Of Coco]

He's on the Cricket Committee. He isn't the guy in charge of hriing the best guys for the job. If he finds qualified people are being shunned just because their origins make certain people paranoid, he can use the best tool he has at hand to highlight it. Simple as that. He was a media commentator long before the ICC approached him for his help. Seems like the ICC wanted a lackey rather than a person who actually cared for the betterment of the game. Gag orders don't work, mate.

 

[Richard]

so he is juz stupid?????????????????

No, not at all, he's extremely smart, he built a business empire with Tesco. That's why such seemingly strange comments make so little sense.

I am honestly astounded that you don't know the word "black" in almost every context of its usage has negative connotations.

Maybe when you've heard it yes, but as so many things in recent months have shown, different words have different connotations in different contexts, cultures, etc. Trouble is, one cannot know absolutely what is meant for such a vague utterance as that.

And given the context of what MacLaurin said, it does have "racist" connotations as well, whether he meant it or not.

That's just the trouble - do we know the exact context? It seems to me to be a remark making so little sense that we cannot possibly really know what context it was made in.

 

[silentstriker]

Interesting stuff but I still can't see the link other than a circumstantial one and it doesn't explain the use of black as a symbol of death, fear amongst many other any cultures, countries etc (I'm guessing, maybe there isn't).

I'll try to see if African languages have similar words.

 

[honestbharani]

Right, like:

Black eye
Black paint
Black Hole Sun
Black and Blue
Black Car
Black Fence
Black Lounge
Black and White Television
Black Dress
Black Hair
Black Sky
Black Clouds
Black Gold

Black Dress is generally for mourning.

Black Hole are generally points of no return and we often talk about companies and things "going" into a black hole, which means they have no chance of survival or whatever.


Honestly, mate, if you don't think the word "black" has a lot of negative connotations, then I am not sure what I can tell you.

 

[Swervy]

Black Dress is generally for mourning.

Black Hole are generally points of no return and we often talk about companies and things "going" into a black hole, which means they have no chance of survival or whatever.


Honestly, mate, if you don't think the word "black" has a lot of negative connotations, then I am not sure what I can tell you.

Thousands of words out there which have negative connotations if you dig deep enough, but jeez, if we were so obsessed with such things, there would be hardly any English language left.

But this is the way things are going I guess, people scared to use the English language for fear of offending who are looking to be offended.

Back to the issue at hand, seriously, in most parts of the world, referring to someone as being 'black' is not deemed racist (and most definately with the black people I know).

Re: McLaurins comment, there is absolutely no way from reading that article that you can tell what context he was saying that in, so I find it incredible that this has been going on for the last 80 posts on this thread. He was either being terribly pesimistic, or he chose a pretty weak double entendre to make his point....but I am really really struggling tocatch the racist connotations in this.

 

[Richard]

Thousands of words out there which have negative connotations if you dig deep enough, but jeez, if we were so obsessed with such things, there would be hardly any English language left.

Indeed.

TBH, I sometimes find there are people (certainly not Honest, nor most of the respectable posters on this forum, but undeniably people whose unwise words will whip-up undue frenzies) who will look for racist connotations in anything they possibly can, simply for the excuse to make a fuss.

 

[Sanz]

He was either being terribly pesimistic, or he chose a pretty weak double entendre to make his point....but I am really really struggling tocatch the racist connotations in this.

Now Swerves, dont spin what HB said in his post.

Where in that post did HB say anything about the word 'black' being racist all the time ? He clearly talked about the word 'black' having lot of negative connotations.

 

[Jamee999]

Black Dress is generally for mourning.

Black Hole are generally points of no return and we often talk about companies and things "going" into a black hole, which means they have no chance of survival or whatever.


Honestly, mate, if you don't think the word "black" has a lot of negative connotations, then I am not sure what I can tell you.

But a black hole is black. It's not called a black hole as in a bad hole, or anything, it is a hole that is black.