Context is everything, though some of it is not necessarily borne out of racism as much as of ignorance. For example, the term ' black' or 'dark' is sometimes used generically to denote something bad. The best example of this is ' Black Monday' for the US stock market crash even though most of the shareholders/investors/traders are white. Can you imagine anyone calling this ' White Monday ' ?
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Sunil blasts the Australians part II
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
so you are saying MacLaurin meant that the future of the game was bleak, since it was being taken over by the Asians??????????
Again, is there not a hint of racism in such a scenario? At the very least, it would show a bit of a superiority complex... An assumption that if the Asians took over, the future of the game was "black"!!!!!!!!!!!!
My point is that the terms 'black', 'dark' etc are used in everyday lexicon not necessarily out of racist undertones, but by a lack of awareness that they could be offensive.
' Blackballed ', ' Blacklisted ', ' Black sheep of the family', 'Black eye' , 'Its a dark day..' etc etc are used even by some reputable media to denote generally bad happenings.
Am not sure about McLaurins motives nor want to speculate specifically on that utterance, nor am I defending him.
Just making the point that people/publications use that term not necessarily out of racism, but out of habit/innocence/unawareness/ignorance...take your pick.
Just try typing ' Black Monday/Tuesday....' on the net and see how much hits you get, none of which portray happy happenings.
FWIW, I'm against using that term in any adverse context other than to describe a color.
' Blackballed ', ' Blacklisted ', ' Black sheep of the family', 'Black eye' , 'Its a dark day..' etc etc are used even by some reputable media to denote generally bad happenings.
Am not sure about McLaurins motives nor want to speculate specifically on that utterance, nor am I defending him.
Just making the point that people/publications use that term not necessarily out of racism, but out of habit/innocence/unawareness/ignorance...take your pick.
Just try typing ' Black Monday/Tuesday....' on the net and see how much hits you get, none of which portray happy happenings.
FWIW, I'm against using that term in any adverse context other than to describe a color.
Googenheim
U19 12th Man
Step down for what exactly? The ICC knew about his media commitments when they appointed him in an advisory capacity.
honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
yeah... I agree in general, but in the context of this discussion, it is only about MacLaurin. Obviously, in the broader sense, almost any "supposed" racist term can only be judged from the context.
Sanz
Hall of Fame Member
Indeed. Although If one opens the Bhajji thread about 'Monkey' stuff, you will notice that not many people were willing to consider the context and just wanted to focus on the 'bottom line'.yeah... I agree in general, but in the context of this discussion, it is only about MacLaurin. Obviously, in the broader sense, almost any "supposed" racist term can only be judged from the context.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Yes, he would.If the awards were still around, you wouldn't be giving them away.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
No, it doesn't. If you say something has racist connotations, that means you are being racist. Simple as.
Lord MacLaurin has no such leanings, whatsoever. It's madness to suggest he does TBH.
No-one, which is why it's purely and simply very odd. It makes no sense. It doesn't make sense either as a racist remark or a non-racist remark.
Googenheim
U19 12th Man
Why doesn't it make sense as a racist remark? The word 'black' has negative connotations, especially when used as a term to denote the future.
Googenheim
U19 12th Man
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
When you say the future is black - you aren't thinking roses and sunshine. In any case, this topic is being blown way out of proportion.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
It really does take quite something to work that up into that.No point trying to change the mind of someone like that.
I wonder if anyone has ever said "the future's black" to describe a bad-looking future? If so, it'd be news to me. "Bleak" tends to be the term of choice.
silentstriker
The Wheel is Forever
I thought it was fairly common.
No point trying to change the mind of someone like that.
I wonder if anyone has ever said "the future's black" to describe a bad-looking future? If so, it'd be news to me. "Bleak" tends to be the term of choice.
Googenheim
U19 12th Man
Not my fault the person in question employed that particular usage of the word in relation to a non-black people. Ignorance isn't bliss.
No point trying to change the mind of someone like that.
I wonder if anyone has ever said "the future's black" to describe a bad-looking future? If so, it'd be news to me. "Bleak" tends to be the term of choice.
haroon510
International 12th Man
First of all i want to let u all know that i am Afghan from afghanistan and not pakistani.. and for god sake don't bring politics to this.. i don't care about what the majority of pakistani and indians think about their cricket and this has nothing to do with me
and my post.. i am not here to start hind pak war or hatrate of indian team because i am pakistani cricket team fan.. and u r bashing me without knowing this.. get ur fact right.. read my reasons why i posted that before u accuse me of anything..
i miss this and to be honest i was expecting this .. i will put this aside that sunil is indian and he hasn't been my favorite cricketer, commentator, and soo on .. when i wrote that comment i kept in mind three things first he is contradicting himself.. he saying that we shouldn't look down upon any nation or people, while in the past we have seen him seeing down on particular nation and race.. the example is when he said about the West Indian players as people who should be in Jungles and used alot of other racist words such as N words..
Second, this was based on the current attitude of BCCI and the fact that Sunil totally ignore that.. In the history of cricket, we haven't seen any test nation changing the Umpires based on afew mistakes.. BCCI was able to do that and if they can do that and they will do that in future.. isn't called abuse of power and bulling than what is it called..
The whole ICL issue.. The BCCI doesn't like ICL soo do the rest of the other test nations.. why is that? because simply BCCI is puting alot of Pressure in ICC and ICC is making all the test nation ban their players from playing in ICL.. i just can't see the difference between ICL and IPL.. if test nations are allowed to have their players play in IPL why not in ICL? This totally shows the bulling of BCCI and Mr Gavasker is totally ignoring this..
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
Well not in circles I move in, I assure you.
Don't know enough about orangutans to know whether that's a pun or not either TBH.
Richard
Cricket Web Staff Member
TBH, it's pretty clear. The ICL is organised by someone - Subhash Chandra of Zee TV - whose aim is to damage the interests of the BCCI, and it's instigated by discontent that the BCCI did not give him what he wanted - ie, international cricket rights.
The IPL is the BCCI's own competition, organised to try to run concurrantly with and take advantage of cricket's existing interests. The ICL is purely a self-serving competition, it has no interests in the welfare of the game, just as Kerry Packer, Channel Nine and World Series Cricket didn't 30 years ago.
