Styris or Collingwod-who's the better player?

[Matt52]

Styris to me has never lost that tailenders approach to batting,.. He doesnt have the finesse and ability of most international batsmen... He seems to get tied down for four or five deliveries and then try to smash one across the line. His record against Aus is not very good, in tests hes only had four innings so you cant take much from that, but in 25 odis he averages 17..IMO he shouldnt make the nz starting eleven,... maybe in one dayers because of his bowling, but just as a batsman....no......... So for me Collingwood.

 

[Prince EWS]

Styris to me has never lost that tailenders approach to batting,.. He doesnt have the finesse and ability of most international batsmen... He seems to get tied down for four or five deliveries and then try to smash one across the line. His record against Aus is not very good, in tests hes only had four innings so you cant take much from that, but in 25 odis he averages 17..IMO he shouldnt make the nz starting eleven,... maybe in one dayers because of his bowling, but just as a batsman....no......... So for me Collingwood.

I couldn't disagree more with that.

 

[Perm]

I couldn't disagree more with that.

Nor could I.

 

[thierry henry]

Styris to me has never lost that tailenders approach to batting,.. He doesnt have the finesse and ability of most international batsmen... He seems to get tied down for four or five deliveries and then try to smash one across the line. His record against Aus is not very good, in tests hes only had four innings so you cant take much from that, but in 25 odis he averages 17..IMO he shouldnt make the nz starting eleven,... maybe in one dayers because of his bowling, but just as a batsman....no......... So for me Collingwood.

You obviously just hate Scott Styris and therefore your opinion is too biased to take seriously Unlike my opinions on Vettori or Vincent, of course

 

[Matt52]

You obviously just hate Scott Styris and therefore your opinion is too biased to take seriously Unlike my opinions on Vettori or Vincent, of course

Dont know the guy. I just dont think he is that good a player. He should be in the odi team as I said before, but not in the test side as I think other players could do a better job in his spot.. I dont understand why his spot is never questioned. He averages under 40 battng at number 4 normally. I think nz should look for someone else that could do better in that spot. Just my opinion. Im interested in why you rate the guy so much..

 

[Athlai]

Dont know the guy. I just dont think he is that good a player. He should be in the odi team as I said before, but not in the test side as I think other players could do a better job in his spot.. I dont understand why his spot is never questioned. He averages under 40 battng at number 4 normally. I think nz should look for someone else that could do better in that spot. Just my opinion. Im interested in why you rate the guy so much..

Don't much about NZ cricket eh mate?

 

[Goughy]

Dont know the guy. I just dont think he is that good a player. He should be in the odi team as I said before, but not in the test side as I think other players could do a better job in his spot.. I dont understand why his spot is never questioned. He averages under 40 battng at number 4 normally. I think nz should look for someone else that could do better in that spot. Just my opinion. Im interested in why you rate the guy so much..

Given the NZs best batsman of his generation (Fleming) averages under 40 as well its not like there is a line of future Bradmans to do a lot better.

NZ have only had 6 players in their history average over 40 (Crowe, Reid, Sutcliffe, Richardson, Turner and Jones) so its not really a fair benchmark

 

[Matt52]

Don't much about NZ cricket eh mate?

I guess you meant " dont know much...." .... look mate, sometimes people disagree with you, its called life. I dont rate styris. Hes ok but nothing more. If you rate him and disagree with me .. well...good for you.

Im an avid nz cricket fan. my whole life. watched every game I could. followed every series and played the game for about 13 years.

 

[Athlai]

I guess you meant " dont know much...." .... look mate, sometimes people disagree with you, its called life. I dont rate styris. Hes ok but nothing more. If you rate him and disagree with me .. well...good for you.

Im an avid nz cricket fan. my whole life. watched every game I could. followed every series and played the game for about 13 years.

How many NZ cricket players average 40? The fact he's averaging 38.17 is amazing frankly, who's a better option?

Nathan Astle and Stephen Fleming, easily our best batsman in the modern game both averaged under 40, Flem (39), Astle (37), so who else could we fill that role in the team with?

 

[Flem274*]

If we really wanted to I would suggest Rob Nicol, Greg Hay or Neil Broom. However, Styris has played well so far and had been in good form so why drop him?

I also think he is more of a number five than number four, but thats just my preference.

 

[Athlai]

If we really wanted to I would suggest Rob Nicol, Greg Hay or Neil Broom. However, Styris has played well so far and had been in good form so why drop him?

I also think he is more of a number five than number four, but thats just my preference.

Averages 142 at number 3

 

[Matt52]

How many NZ cricket players average 40? The fact he's averaging 38.17 is amazing frankly, who's a better option?

Nathan Astle and Stephen Fleming, easily our best batsman in the modern game both averaged under 40, Flem (39), Astle (37), so who else could we fill that role in the team with?

Thats better mate, at least youre willing to put up your side and talk about it. Thats a fair point, but i would counter by saying Styris has had the best opportunities to perform ( Astle had a good chance at 5),,, hes consistently been played at no4 or 5 in the order, and so had a good chance to play in his prefered position away from the new ball. ( well, at least two deliveries). Fleming opened for a period and batted at 3, captaincy responsibilities as well. I dont know if captaincy improved or worsened his batting but you never know...

As for the better options, I think anyone of Peter Fulton, Lou Vincent( batting at 4not opening) , Ross Taylor, jesse Ryder, would do better. I also think Fleming, as our best batsman should have had first dibs on his prefered batting position, ( i read in an article) no4. And Styris hould have been moved around to help the team but many times it seemed like the opposite happened.

 

[Matt52]

Averages 142 at number 3

How many innings was that, I remember he scored a century in india at 3 but I cant remember him batting there otherwise

 

[Athlai]

Thats better mate, at least youre willing to put up your side and talk about it. Thats a fair point, but i would counter by saying Styris has had the best opportunities to perform ( Astle had a good chance at 5),,, hes consistently been played at no4 or 5 in the order, and so had a good chance to play in his prefered position away from the new ball. ( well, at least two deliveries). Fleming opened for a period and batted at 3, captaincy responsibilities as well. I dont know if captaincy improved or worsened his batting but you never know...

As for the better options, I think anyone of Peter Fulton, Lou Vincent( batting at 4not opening) , Ross Taylor, jesse Ryder, would do better. I also think Fleming, as our best batsman should have had first dibs on his prefered batting position, ( i read in an article) no4. And Styris hould have been moved around to help the team but many times it seemed like the opposite happened.

I wasn't comparing Fleming and Astle to Styris in a way to suggest he's any better than them. Just to say he's done as well as they have which must be alright.

Now Ross Taylor is unproven, and Vincent hasn't always had the best luck (though admittedly gets screwed around), I doubt Ryder is ready to play anywhere near the international level, maybe in a few years he might have improved enough but thats still a while away.

Now if we were to bring in Taylor or Vincent which isn't a horrible idea (Fulton too IMO though he is injured) why not cut another player from the team? I feel Styris's position as a talented batsman and hard working bowler is a fair bit more valuable than Oram (who's bowling has fallen totally apart).

Styris has been one of the most successful NZ batsman in recent times and I can see no reason to drop him.

 

[Athlai]

How many innings was that, I remember he scored a century in india at 3 but I cant remember him batting there otherwise

4 innings, two centuries and a not out 3.

 

[Flem274*]

I wouldn't put Taylor anywhere near 4 or 5 ATM. Until he gets some consistency and technique I'd chuck him at 6, but only if there was no one better. I'd rather Fleming as my first choice number 4, Styris at 5, and Vincent at 6 as Oram is not a number 6.

 

[Matt52]

I wasn't comparing Fleming and Astle to Styris in a way to suggest he's any better than them. Just to say he's done as well as they have which must be alright.

Now Ross Taylor is unproven, and Vincent hasn't always had the best luck (though admittedly gets screwed around), I doubt Ryder is ready to play anywhere near the international level, maybe in a few years he might have improved enough but thats still a while away.

Now if we were to bring in Taylor or Vincent which isn't a horrible idea (Fulton too IMO though he is injured) why not cut another player from the team? I feel Styris's position as a talented batsman and hard working bowler is a fair bit more valuable than Oram (who's bowling has fallen totally apart).

Styris has been one of the most successful NZ batsman in recent times and I can see no reason to drop him.

I disagree with you about Ryder.. His 4 day record has been pretty good for a few seasons now, about mid 40's I think. I rate all those players you mentioned, Vincent, Taylor and Fulton ahead of Styris, and so with Fleming in there, that would mean in My opinion, Styris wouldnt make it.

I know Taylor and Ryder are unproven but I think they are old enough and have been on a few A tours now, and have the potential to be quite a bit better than Styris, so I say give them a go.

 

[Flem274*]

If I were to chuck anyone out of the current line up it would be Oram.

As for the blokes you mentioned, after the guys near retirement leave (Fleming, McMillan, Cumming, your mate Styris) I'd have the top six as

Papps
Opener sent down by god to aid us
Fulton/Ryder/Vicent
Hay/Ryder/Vincent
Ryder/Nicol/Vincent/Broom
Ryder/Vincent/Nicol/Taylor/Broom

Love the middle order options we have

 

[Athlai]

I disagree with you about Ryder.. His 4 day record has been pretty good for a few seasons now, about mid 40's I think. I rate all those players you mentioned, Vincent, Taylor and Fulton ahead of Styris, and so with Fleming in there, that would mean in My opinion, Styris wouldnt make it.

I know Taylor and Ryder are unproven but I think they are old enough and have been on a few A tours now, and have the potential to be quite a bit better than Styris, so I say give them a go.

I'd rather keep Styris in the team personally but I'd like Fulton and Taylor in as well, but I wouldn't be surprised if Taylor is held back for a while to replace Fleming or Styris's role in the team when they go for good. Give him some time to develop, Ryder needs to settle down from all the controversy surrounding him before he warrants selection IMO.
How much longer is Fleming going to be in the squad for anyway?

 

[Athlai]

If I were to chuck anyone out of the current line up it would be Oram.

As for the blokes you mentioned, after the guys near retirement leave (Fleming, McMillan, Cumming, your mate Styris) I'd have the top six as

Papps
Opener sent down by god to aid us
Fulton/Ryder/Vicent
Hay/Ryder/Vincent
Ryder/Nicol/Vincent/Broom
Ryder/Vincent/Nicol/Taylor/Broom

Love the middle order options we have

Think your being a little harsh on Taylor TBH, I wouldn't mind him in every of those positions (though preferably lower down the order till he settles). And now that you mention it McMillan! Wouldn't hate to see him in the whites again. Just a bit hard to think of where he might fit in.