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Stumped!

Charlie B

Charlie B

U19 Vice-Captain
cnerd123 said:
Yes but not enough interest. Not all existing Nat managers want to also manage a Dev team. As it is many Nat team manager elections go uncontested (such as BD), and so until there is actually a surplus of managers willing to run a Nat team there won't be any expansion in it.
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Wouldn't the assistants to the NAT Manager like and want the experience of stepping up and running the DEV team?

Presumably a lot of them would have finished 2nd in the main elections so were actively seeking a senior role and challenge?

I see all countries have at least one assistant (with the exclusion of NZ) and Australia has 3 !

Most of the names look like they are regulars with bags of experience so would step into that position with ease and would then find themselves rotating their roles come the time when the election merry-go -round turns one circle. At worst they'd keep the job and at best usurp the main manager due to them over-performing with the DEV team or the NAT manager underperforming with the main team or just wanting to swap deckchairs!

As an aside it would be great if the DEVS maybe highlighted the whole NAT voting/management scouting side of the game which seems to run in the shadows, not least how the votes are rushed through with never much explanation or time.

They could even encourage a kind of mentoring scheme so that managers with more than 1 year but less than 2 (say) are encouraged to go under the wing of an experienced NAT manager and learn the ropes. This may happen a little (informally at the moment) but to showcase/promote it a bit more would help maybe retain ongoing members by introducing them to a higher level of the game which presents them with new challenges
 
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cnerd123

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Charlie B said:
Wouldn't the assistants to the NAT Manager like and want the experience of stepping up and running the DEV team?

Presumably a lot of them would have finished 2nd in the main elections so were actively seeking a senior role and challenge?

I see all countries have at least one assistant (with the exclusion of NZ) and Australia has 3 !

Most of the names look like they are regulars with bags of experience so would step into that position with ease and would then find themselves rotating their roles come the time when the election merry-go -round turns one circle. At worst they'd keep the job and at best usurp the main manager due to them over-performing with the DEV team or the NAT manager underperforming with the main team or just wanting to swap deckchairs!

As an aside it would be great if the DEVS maybe highlighted the whole NAT voting/management scouting side of the game which seems to run in the shadows, not least how the votes are rushed through with never much explanation or time.

They could even encourage a kind of mentoring scheme so that managers with more than 1 year but less than 2 (say) are encouraged to go under the wing of an experienced NAT manager and learn the ropes. This may happen a little (informally at the moment) but to showcase/promote it a bit more would help maybe retain ongoing members by introducing them to a higher level of the game which presents them with new challenges
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Most of these Assistants are just Assistants in name, don't actually have time/energy to contribute properly but have been part of the setup before so have stayed on. In the last election 7 out of 10 managers ran unopposed. Not enough active involvement at Nat level yet to justify more teams.

Marcuss said:
Also, what’s with the TM? Ataraxia bought Dempster for 1k and now they’re selling for 250k plus?
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Yea jealous that I didn't take a crack at buying and reselling him now. Always some good deals to be made on the TM if you can find talented kids selling for cheap.
 
Charlie B

Charlie B

U19 Vice-Captain
cnerd123 said:
Most of these Assistants are just Assistants in name, don't actually have time/energy to contribute properly but have been part of the setup before so have stayed on. In the last election 7 out of 10 managers ran unopposed. Not enough active involvement at Nat level yet to justify more teams.


Yea jealous that I didn't take a crack at buying and reselling him now. Always some good deals to be made on the TM if you can find talented kids selling for cheap.
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I guess it s chicken and egg...... regarding the active involvement- i mean CWC is a case in point to show that there is a hotbed of managers out there with enthusiasm and time for the game (which is currently channeled here) but for whatever reason and we have touched on that before so I dont want to open an old tin (and we are clearly not inactive managers or developers!)- their is not enough active involvement in the game coming from top down to keep anything but the embers glowing
 
Charlie B

Charlie B

U19 Vice-Captain
cnerd123 said:
If you, or anyone here, wants to be BD Nat assistant then just drop me a DM haha. I need the help!
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At the moment mate I am not even good enough to get in the Top 100 ! or probably even qualify for a knock out in CWC 4 (lol). I was planning on proving to voters and (myself first) that I could play the game a bit - then I would not feel a fraud in putting myself forward for any kind of national position. Currently my CV is about as full as old mother hubbards cupboard!

There are so many things i dont grasp yet - even when you guys are chatting I think doh or huh - your mutterings are normally a secret masterclass for me!!

But..... in a couple of seasons if i can get better I might come back and bite you on the offer :D
 
Charlie B

Charlie B

U19 Vice-Captain
My attitude to putting yourself forwrd to be a manager is a bit like my attitude to the England cricket team. You should be in the team if you are proving you are better than the incumbent. So you would need to be well up in the domestic rankings (by WR, Division, titles) before you can lay claim you might do a better job than the current manager.

This is something the England cricket team doesn't do at the moment - Anderson and Broad are excellent cricketers - once in a generation cricketers and they remain at the top or very close to the top of their game. No one at domestic , Lions, tour level can lay a candle on them and as they keep remaining so professional the management couldn't even come up with a fig leaf of why they were dropped (which is bloody rude and arrogant)- some mumbo jumbo about giving others a chance- Well these people have had chances for years - at tour , county and test level and they aint as good - simple end of.

All the reboot showed us was theta they break down more easily than Broad and Anderson , don't have their experience and on a wicket that doesn't do anything have no clue on how to think a batsmen out.

It's also a disaster how arrogantly England create this sort of hierarchy of test as though anyone who isn't Australia is just 'practice' Not only does it demean test cricket (which needs supporting, not hollowing out at its roots) it is also laughable as anyone is a 'Test' for England right now and we need to treat all teams with the utmost respect and pick our best team - this is not bloody rounders in the park and short sighted Simon and tubby tim need to ave a chance too!


So sack Strauss but give him a track suit and make him Batting coach, Swan bowling coach, Prior keeping and fielding coach and Gooch head of em all!! (then bring in a decent psychologist from one or more of the most successful commercial retail/sales organsiations in the world- motivation has now gone beyond mid on shouting - my gran could bowl faster than that!) finally place Broad in charge as captain to complete the 2009 dream squad. Root is a busted flush as captain but a great bat. Stokes is no captain and already has 3 jobs on his plate and a flaky mental recent past (dont people learn???? - Botham /Flintoff as gung ho all rounder cpatains !!! i think not!)

Finally as for Collingwood saying he wanted a permanent coaching job - the Windies tour was not a CV - more a suicide note!
:D
 
cnerd123

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Charlie B said:
My attitude to putting yourself forwrd to be a manager is a bit like my attitude to the England cricket team. You should be in the team if you are proving you are better than the incumbent. So you would need to be well up in the domestic rankings (by WR, Division, titles) before you can lay claim you might do a better job than the current manager.

This is something the England cricket team doesn't do at the moment - Anderson and Broad are excellent cricketers - once in a generation cricketers and they remain at the top or very close to the top of their game. No one at domestic , Lions, tour level can lay a candle on them and as they keep remaining so professional the management couldn't even come up with a fig leaf of why they were dropped (which is bloody rude and arrogant)- some mumbo jumbo about giving others a chance- Well these people have had chances for years - at tour , county and test level and they aint as good - simple end of.

All the reboot showed us was theta they break down more easily than Broad and Anderson , don't have their experience and on a wicket that doesn't do anything have no clue on how to think a batsmen out.

It's also a disaster how arrogantly England create this sort of hierarchy of test as though anyone who isn't Australia is just 'practice' Not only does it demean test cricket (which needs supporting, not hollowing out at its roots) it is also laughable as anyone is a 'Test' for England right now and we need to treat all teams with the utmost respect and pick our best team - this is not bloody rounders in the park and short sighted Simon and tubby tim need to ave a chance too!


So sack Strauss but give him a track suit and make him Batting coach, Swan bowling coach, Prior keeping and fielding coach and Gooch head of em all!! (then bring in a decent psychologist from one or more of the most successful commercial retail/sales organsiations in the world- motivation has now gone beyond mid on shouting - my gran could bowl faster than that!) finally place Broad in charge as captain to complete the 2009 dream squad. Root is a busted flush as captain but a great bat. Stokes is no captain and already has 3 jobs on his plate and a flaky mental recent past (dont people learn???? - Botham /Flintoff as gung ho all rounder cpatains !!! i think not!)

Finally as for Collingwood saying he wanted a permanent coaching job - the Windies tour was not a CV - more a suicide note!
:D
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Reads like a post for the England Gloom and Doom Thread
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
More AX-W Dev weirdness, with Jacobus Kruger hogging the strike remarkably well. Moreover, he hit 88 from #8 as a 17 skill batsman. In AXI's Dev fixture, Simmonds and Saadi had an excellent partnership of 174. Simmonds alone hit 126 (118), evidently appreciating the chance to be on good enough condition to play a Dev match. Hit 202 runs between dismissals also. Averaged 18.3 in S27, 20.0 in S28, 33.1 in S29, and 44.0 in S30! Good enough for a win.
 
cnerd123

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ZCC's Zack-and-Hashim-Less T20 outfit got a good win over the Astronauts over the weekend, but struggling atm vs AXI. Trying to get Ed Halliday and Taufeeq Bashir into the T20 XI more regularly, mixed results atm. Ratings still over 60k tho.
 
ataraxia

ataraxia

International Coach
That went down to the wire. Chris Waters hitting the winning runs from #11 on debut.

Expert Preview putting me at 59.7K lol. Bowling averaging 66-67K! Good stuff from Davey also, 2-17 (4) in his third-to-last match.
 
Magrat Garlick

Magrat Garlick

Rather Mad Witch
A strange match against Ashgrove this morning. Huge opening partnership from Marcuss' boys followed by Artemis Fox' second spell inciting a collapse, and then Fouche jr. getting a key wicket just as they had started to rebuild. Chasing a meagre 200, we managed three run outs before Aye, Fouche jr. and Mthabela managed to get us across the line with four overs to spare.
 
StephenZA

StephenZA

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Moooo development just put a big total of 227 against the TMO development team... gonna be a tough chase. See how TMO does under pressure here.
 
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