Stratergic ways of beating Australia

[Tim]

Infact his performances against Australia probably save his test & ODI averages from being alot worse!

 

[mustang]

there are no ways..

 

[TendulkarFan]

There's a reason why Aussies have been unbeatable for so long!

In order to beat the Aussies in a one-off game, the team has to play the best it possibly can and then hope for some luck. Aussies are such a professional outfit that they should never be expected to take a day off. They won't give you the game - you have to go earn it.

As for the idea of beating them consistently over an extended period of time, it's almost impossible. There is nothing that a dynasty needs and they don't have - talented players who are superb athletes and work extremely hard (some of these will end up as legends), tough, aggressive system, top-notch support staff and leadership, stability, healthy competition that rewards well, and most importantly, an extremely professional attitude from top to bottom.

I don't see any team in today's world that can beat the Aussies on a consistent basis. Some teams have the natural talent to compete against the Aussies but definitely lack the intangibles.

 

[Bapu Rao Swami]

1. Batting first: Batsmen to put their head down and frustrate the Aussie bowlers. If you get them frustrated half your job is done. Bowlers like Gillispie and Mcgrath can't stand being stood up against.

2. Fielding: Should be top notch. No free runs should be given away.The Aussies should get the feeling that every run has to be earned the hard way.

3. Sledging: Give it back to them as much as we get. If you hit a good shot or if you miss a shot and if McGrath or Gillespie wince about it, say it straight to them ---- "shut up and get on with the game mate"

4. Bowling first: Try some of Mr Grumpy's (Nasser Hussain) tricks. Bowl outside the off stump if being hit around the park. If not try a frontal attack with no friendship intended.

 

[Linda]

1. Batting first: Batsmen to put their head down and frustrate the Aussie bowlers. If you get them frustrated half your job is done. Bowlers like Gillispie and Mcgrath can't stand being stood up against.

2. Fielding: Should be top notch. No free runs should be given away.The Aussies should get the feeling that every run has to be earned the hard way.

3. Sledging: Give it back to them as much as we get. If you hit a good shot or if you miss a shot and if McGrath or Gillespie wince about it, say it straight to them ---- "shut up and get on with the game mate"

4. Bowling first: Try some of Mr Grumpy's (Nasser Hussain) tricks. Bowl outside the off stump if being hit around the park. If not try a frontal attack with no friendship intended.

The problem I see with number 4 there is, while this may work for inexperianced and less talented batsman, bowling out there could cause futher and more serious damage ...

 

[Richard Jenkins]

Leg theory. With a difference. You are only allowed two fielders behind leg today, so I'd set a field within these confines.
extra cover, mid-off, short extra cover, short leg, mid-wicket,backward square leg, deep backward square leg, square leg, deep square leg, wickie, plus bowler.
Then I'd bowl fast short pitched bowling. Keeping to the two bouncers per over rule.
RIDERs
The pitch has to be a fast track
The bowling has to be 80mph +
The bowler would bowl yorkers and slower balls etc, it wouldn't be just pure leg theory.

I'm not 100 percent sure my field placing are legal anyway!
I'd probably get creamed all round the park.

 

[Mr. P]

Yorkers/slower balls with that field would be VERY risky.

 

[Tom Halsey]

My patented long hop theory, works a dream on Cricket 2002, as Adil found out.

Bowl spin all through the innings, very slowly. Bowl long hops, so it is only about 1 cm in the air when it gets to the batsman, travelling 1 m.p.h. it's so slow they can't do anything with it. They get frustrated and get themselves out. Easy!

 

[marc71178]

My Warne method was a good one.

 

[Tom Halsey]

How does that one go?

 

[deeps]

the key is to build partnerships.....the last few years..all the tests aus has lost or drawn,have been the direct result of one or two huge partnerships... dont overly attack in the first few overs...they get off to a good start,thers' no stopping them...contain their openers, and get them with good line and length..dont try nething special...puts more pressure on punter at 3...he attacks,gets out...tis a chain reaction till u get to gilly...u have to get him out,he doesn't usually get himself out

the aussie batting...one batsman makes a big score..the rest make 20 or 30...make sure no batsman gets that big score...if he does..contain him,so he doesn't do too much damage

catches win matches, but so do run outs...........hit the stumps,aussies take alot of chances

 

[Anil]

bat better, bowl better, field better.....that's usually the best way....easier said than done of course...most importantly, believe that you can win....

 

[marc71178]

How does that one go?

Simple really, give him the charge and clobber him.

Consistently doing it causes him to have to change his length, and then you stay back and wallop.

It was shown to be a superb tactic against him in the 94/95 tour (when I came up with the theory)

Big Devon cleared the boundary twice at Sydney and had him in all sorts of problems.

 

[Arjun]

Someone mentioned sledging. Don't, and I repeat, DON'T try that against the Australians. Sangakkara, Zaheer Khan, Irfan Pathan and Tino Best and ESPECIALLY Ganguly have tried it, only to get some severe kickbacks in performance. Don't outsledge, just outperform.

 

[Nate]

bat better, bowl better, field better.....that's usually the best way....easier said than done of course...most importantly, believe that you can win....

haha gee all this new material... nothing new there.
a more realistic way, is to kidnap the australians, clone them and then inject them with drugs that cant be traced with ur everyday drug test. simple.

 

[Richard]

no tim is right.. dan made that marvellous debut against Aus .. and i remember that game when Aus was touring nz and he took that 5 or 6'er in the test in auckland..

marc's just trying to be funny and make a point at the same time - trouble is, he's got no point to make because I've never said fingerspin-friendly surfaces don't occur outside the subcontinent.
That Eden Park one was a fingerspin-friendly surface and so was the recent one at Lord's.

 

[Richard]

I won't deny that pressure is in the mind, but I have to say the bowlers do create it.

I will take your example. Team A has bowled very well, taken a few wickets and restricted the runs. Team B is only scoring at 2.7 runs per over. The batsman in is 'feeling the pressure'

The question is, who created it?

Whilst the batsman has obviously put the pressure on himself, he did not create it, or 'build it.' You need two reactants to make a product and if Team A were bowling badly the batsman wouldn't feel anything. It is not really his fault if he worries because pressure is natural and it is naive to say that he shouldn't feel anything.

Yes, of course, I'm not saying that to spray the thing all over everywhere is the best solution and will still result in the batsman feeling the pressure!
Of course there are things that teams\players can do which sometimes contributes to batsmen feeling under pressure.
But personally I'd say that a batsman who feels pressurised by a slow(ish) scoring-rate in a First-Class game has done something wrong. I just have always seen it that the worst thing he can do is change his style of play, try to attack balls he otherwise wouldn't, and almost inevitably result in getting himself out and causing a lower total.
The old "slow runs are better than no runs" analogy is one of my favourites.

 

[Tim]

You've gotta be good at sledging though. NZ & Aus sledge each other all the time...they're pretty much used to it now. Sledging is part of sport in NZ & presumably Australia also..maybe not so in India to the degree that i've seen it in NZ recently though.

 

[Mr. P]

Yes, of course, I'm not saying that to spray the thing all over everywhere is the best solution and will still result in the batsman feeling the pressure!
Of course there are things that teams\players can do which sometimes contributes to batsmen feeling under pressure.
But personally I'd say that a batsman who feels pressurised by a slow(ish) scoring-rate in a First-Class game has done something wrong. I just have always seen it that the worst thing he can do is change his style of play, try to attack balls he otherwise wouldn't, and almost inevitably result in getting himself out and causing a lower total.
The old "slow runs are better than no runs" analogy is one of my favourites.

Eh. I guess we'll have to call it even. In my eyes there are too many variables in the situation to consider whether the batsman should feel pressure. I think he has every right to.

The pitch, the batsman, the bowler, the ball, the scorecard. Too many variables!

 

[Tim]

I don't think it's any surprise though that Aus & NZ are rated the worst sledging teams followed by South Africa. Unfortunately or which ever way you view it..sledging is a part of the game in these countries & so other teams may be alarmed at what they hear at times.

I reckon that if you can't give it back as good as you get it..then it's a waste of time sledging.