Steve Waugh vs Rahul Dravid

[Jumno]

A few guys another forum rated dravid higher than tendulkar which I cannot understand because of this wall nickname

Tendulkar fared better against all bowlers and away

Dravid as to an extent very consistent between 2002-2006

He did play under extreme pressure against McGrath, co 47 in a WC final 03, still to be commended. 47 is 47, at least it's not 11.

 

[ma1978]

Tendulkar is without a doubt the greater player, but Dravid was critically responsible for each of the four wins that played seminal roles in the evolution of Indian test cricket from an also ran to a consistent power - Eden Gardens, 2001; Headingley, 2002; Adelaide, 2003; Sabina Park, 2006. India during that time went from a team that never won overseas to a test powerhouse. In my view, Tendulkar was better, but Dravid played an equally if not more influential role in the turning point of Indian test cricket. There is a strong case, in fact, that Dravid is the most influential player in Indian test cricket history.

 

[Jumno]

Last two innings of dravid was against weak pace attacks

 

[Jumno]

Tendulkar is without a doubt the greater player, but Dravid was critically responsible for each of the four wins that played seminal roles in the evolution of Indian test cricket from an also ran to a consistent power - Eden Gardens, 2001; Headingley, 2002; Adelaide, 2003; Sabina Park, 2006. India during that time went from a team that never won overseas to a test powerhouse. In my view, Tendulkar was better, but Dravid played an equally if not more influential role in the turning point of Indian test cricket. There is a strong case, in fact, that Dravid is the most influential player in Indian test cricket history.

WC final 03 47 add to that dravid

 

[Jumno]

Tendulkar man of series in aus 99

Tendulkar has some odi final hundreds such as desert storm and CB series 08, more

Tendulkar hundred Vs pak 04
Tendulkar 175 Vs aus

Tendulkar world cup feats

Tendulkar 146 Vs steyn
Tendulkar 169 against Donald coming in at 56-5 in sa
Tendulkar 100 chasing 380 Vs eng 06
Tendulkar hundred Vs eng 2002
Tendulkar hundred 2001 last test Vs aus
Tendulkar man of series in aus 99
Tendulkar 117 Vs eng 1990
Tendulkar Perth hundred 1992
Tendulkar 136 Vs pak 99
Tendulkar 194 Multan 04

More

 

[ma1978]

Dravid won the key matches for India

 

[Coronis]

There is a strong case, in fact, that Dravid is the most influential player in Indian test cricket history.

No, there isn’t.

He wasn’t their first great batsman, he wasn’t their first great bowler, he wasn’t a great captain, he didn’t revolutionise his side in any way and he played the entirety of his career alongside a clearly superior batsman.

 

[_00_deathscar]

Waugh was actually mentioned in the same breath as Tendulkar and Lara as the best in the world for stretches, Dravid was never mentioned in that regard, at least not that I can recall.

Exactly - in the 90s. The only reason Dravid’s name comes up is because there are some weird fans out there who simp for him. He’s a good player obviously but not in the same class.

 

[Victor Ian]

Do we really have to bash Dravid down with a hammer? He was clearly an outstanding player to have had that period where he made people consider him alongside his luminaries.
You don't have to strip him naked to acknowledge Tendulkar or Waugh, the actual rival in this thread, were probably better. Leave Dravid alone!

 

[anil1405]

Tendulkar is without a doubt the greater player, but Dravid was critically responsible for each of the four wins that played seminal roles in the evolution of Indian test cricket from an also ran to a consistent power - Eden Gardens, 2001; Headingley, 2002; Adelaide, 2003; Sabina Park, 2006. India during that time went from a team that never won overseas to a test powerhouse. In my view, Tendulkar was better, but Dravid played an equally if not more influential role in the turning point of Indian test cricket. There is a strong case, in fact, that Dravid is the most influential player in Indian test cricket history.

This.

If you judge Dravid by the certain perceived parameters of greatness he isn't up there with the ATGs. But what he did to the Indian test team (and their transformative overseas record since 1996) cannot be replicated by anyone else. Although there was Tendulkar and other good players around him he contributed immensely in almost all of India's overseas wins and fightback performances. He was the glue that binded the team together in an era where India sucked repeatedly overseas prior to his debut.

 

[subshakerz]

This past couple of pages is pretty much an example of how CW takes these B/W views on these issues. Dravid is either the most influential Indian ever or overrated hack.

 

[OverratedSanity]

The Dravid > Sachin thing was just sad.
Waugh is closer to Sachin/Lara than Dravid is to them. Waugh is better.

No.

Bolded part is even worse. Waugh was indeed put up there with Lara and Sachin. Wrongly. It was a nonsense comparison that always rang hollow. No one thought he was as good.

 

[PlayerComparisons]

Dravid was like India’s Inzamam. Very good but disappointing against Aus and SA.

 

[ma1978]

No, there isn’t.

He wasn’t their first great batsman, he wasn’t their first great bowler, he wasn’t a great captain, he didn’t revolutionise his side in any way and he played the entirety of his career alongside a clearly superior batsman.

This is what people say when they just look at stats and do not understand the impact of match winning performances.

The stats are tangential - the wins are not

 

[ma1978]

Exactly - in the 90s. The only reason Dravid’s name comes up is because there are some weird fans out there who simp for him. He’s a good player obviously but not in the same class.

He’s got the match winning performances

 

[ma1978]

Dravid was like India’s Inzamam. Very good but disappointing against Aus and SA.

How was he disappointing against Aus. He was a critical part of the 2001 Eden Gardens win and won us the 2003 Adelaide match. For those who weren’t there, those were arguably the two most important Indian test match wins of all time.

He could have scored a duck in every other match he played against Aus and still wouldn’t have been a dissapointment

 

[subshakerz]

Dravid was like India’s Inzamam. Very good but disappointing against Aus and SA.

Dravid was better than Inzi.