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Steve Waugh vs Rahul Dravid

Who was the greater test batsman?

  • Steve Waugh

    Votes: 35 60.3%

  • Rahul Dravid

    Votes: 23 39.7%
  • Total voters
    58
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_00_deathscar

International Regular
subshakerz said:
Yes he did very well before 2001 but wasn't considered one of the top batsmen in the world, more like a tier below Tendulkar, Lara and Waugh.

2001 and that innings really raised Dravid's profile and then by next year it was clear that he and Ponting were the best in the world.
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Ponting himself isn't in the class of Lara or Tendulkar.

And since "not being in the absolutely very top tier" = "not rated as a batsman", Ponting is not to be rated as a batsman.

Good to know.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
_00_deathscar said:
Ponting himself isn't in the class of Lara or Tendulkar.

And since "not being in the absolutely very top tier" = "not rated as a batsman", Ponting is not to be rated as a batsman.

Good to know.
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Calm down. We are talking about top batsman of that particular time. Not overall. There are things like peaks and ICC ratings, etc.

Tendulkar and Lara > Ponting and Dravid overall, but in 2004, Ponting and Dravid > Tendulkar and Lara.
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
Waugh has two series where he delivered against high quality SA attacks (93 and 97), two series where he delivered against high quality WI attacks (95 and 99), and two series where he delivered against high quality Pakistan attacks (94 and 98).

Oh, and all of these are away series, I am not even counting series at home where he delivered, of which there are several.

There shouldn't be any doubt that Waugh is the one between the two who has better delivered against quality attacks.
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Didn’t realize Waugh was so good against the best attacks. Changing my vote to him.
 
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M

Majestic

U19 Captain
As a batsman, I would go with Dravid because he batted at 3 opposed to S Waugh who batted down the order at 5 and enjoyed luxury of a lot of not outs, hence inflating his average a bit.

As test players though, Steve Waugh comfortably outperforms Dravid with his tough as nails mentality and amazing leadership, not to forget his extra bowling which was a lot more than just part time bowling.
 
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ma1978

International Debutant
I can see the strong case for Waugh, and his incredible performances against the best.

But equally, at a time when India simply didn’t win abroad,Dravid’s Pindi, Headingley, Sabina Park and Adelaide innings set up four of India’s most significant wins, and the Headingley innings was one of the best I’ve seen against the moving ball.

Since it’s a near tie for me, going Dravid because of his batting position (and his versatility to open)
 
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Jumno

First Class Debutant
Waugh, dravid could only dream of playing an innings against SA under pressure scoring 120 against Donald, Pollock, needing 7 an over to win in the last 30 overs

That too in 1999, it seemed almost a miracle feat to do that

Dravid did score 47 in 2003 WC final, eden gardens 2001, Adelaide 04
 
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Jumno

First Class Debutant
Dravid hundreds

His 01 Eden's Vs aus
04 Adelaide
06 wi
07 eng in eng
2002 in eng
His hundred in Johannesburg
His hundred in Sri L
His hundred in nz

47 wc final 03 extreme pressure vs McGrath, lee
Him taking on Donald in 97/98 odi
His knock against Sri Lanka 99 wc
Vs NZ tv5 cup Hyderabad
Vs wi when ind chased down 315
99 Vs pak in Pak 04
 
Pap Finn Keighl

Pap Finn Keighl

International Debutant
Jumno said:
47 wc final 03 extreme pressure vs McGrath, lee
His knock against Sri Lanka 99 wc
99 Vs pak in Pak 04
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Nothing exceptional
47 in 57 balls when chasing 360 😴
Support Act in a high scoring match
105 ball 99 in a 700 runs combined total match.
 
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subshakerz

Hall of Fame Member
Jumno said:
Dravid hundreds

His 01 Eden's Vs aus
04 Adelaide
06 wi
07 eng in eng
2002 in eng
His hundred in Johannesburg
His hundred in Sri L
His hundred in nz

47 wc final 03 extreme pressure vs McGrath, lee
Him taking on Donald in 97/98 odi
His knock against Sri Lanka 99 wc
Vs NZ tv5 cup Hyderabad
Vs wi when ind chased down 315
99 Vs pak in Pak 04
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Waugh has better top knocks frankly in tests. 200 and 65* on a green top against Ambrose/Walsh, twin hundreds on a tough pitch in the 1997 Ashes, batting a whole day against Donald/Pollock in Johannesburg, etc.

Still, I wouldn't put this as the main reason to rank Waugh ahead. I think Waugh playing more of his career in a tough era can be negotiated with Dravid batting up the order.

However, I just think in the toughest conditions, Dravid wasn't consistently excellent enough.

Dravid:
SA - Great first tour followed by three poor tour.
SL - One good tour and three poor tours.
WI - Three great tours, credit to him here
Australia - One great tour though against weaker attack and three poor tours
Pakistan - Two great tours
England - Three great tours and one poor tour
NZ - Two great tours, one middling tour

Compare to Waugh:
SA - Two great tours, one poor tour
SL - One poor tour
WI - One poor tour, three great tours
India - Two goodish tours
Pakistan - One poor tour and three great tours
England - One middling tour and three great tours
NZ - Two good tours, one poor tour

They are roughly comparable, except for Dravid in SL, SA and Australia where he has multiple tours and failures.
 
J

Jumno

First Class Debutant
subshakerz said:
Waugh has better top knocks frankly in tests. 200 and 65* on a green top against Ambrose/Walsh, twin hundreds on a tough pitch in the 1997 Ashes, batting a whole day against Donald/Pollock in Johannesburg, etc.

Still, I wouldn't put this as the main reason to rank Waugh ahead. I think Waugh playing more of his career in a tough era can be negotiated with Dravid batting up the order.

However, I just think in the toughest conditions, Dravid wasn't consistently excellent enough.

Dravid:
SA - Great first tour followed by three poor tour.
SL - One good tour and three poor tours.
WI - Three great tours, credit to him here
Australia - One great tour though against weaker attack and three poor tours
Pakistan - Two great tours
England - Three great tours and one poor tour
NZ - Two great tours, one middling tour

Compare to Waugh:
SA - Two great tours, one poor tour
SL - One poor tour
WI - One poor tour, three great tours
India - Two goodish tours
Pakistan - One poor tour and three great tours
England - One middling tour and three great tours
NZ - Two good tours, one poor tour

They are roughly comparable, except for Dravid in SL, SA and Australia where he has multiple tours and failures.
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I never knew dravid was that bad and some Indians put dravid ahead of Tendulkar, where he mastered everything, great bowlers, away sachin

I still put Waugh ahead of dravid and as I said dravid can only dream of playing that 120 in a must win tense game scoring at 7 an over against Donald, Pollock
 
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PlayerComparisons

International Vice-Captain
subshakerz said:
Waugh has better top knocks frankly in tests. 200 and 65* on a green top against Ambrose/Walsh, twin hundreds on a tough pitch in the 1997 Ashes, batting a whole day against Donald/Pollock in Johannesburg, etc.

Still, I wouldn't put this as the main reason to rank Waugh ahead. I think Waugh playing more of his career in a tough era can be negotiated with Dravid batting up the order.

However, I just think in the toughest conditions, Dravid wasn't consistently excellent enough.

Dravid:
SA - Great first tour followed by three poor tour.
SL - One good tour and three poor tours.
WI - Three great tours, credit to him here
Australia - One great tour though against weaker attack and three poor tours
Pakistan - Two great tours
England - Three great tours and one poor tour
NZ - Two great tours, one middling tour

Compare to Waugh:
SA - Two great tours, one poor tour
SL - One poor tour
WI - One poor tour, three great tours
India - Two goodish tours
Pakistan - One poor tour and three great tours
England - One middling tour and three great tours
NZ - Two good tours, one poor tour

They are roughly comparable, except for Dravid in SL, SA and Australia where he has multiple tours and failures.
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Dravid has some really poor series at home as well against Aus and SA. Waugh just seems far superior against fast bowling.
 
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