Steve Harmison pulls out of Zimbabwe tour

[luckyeddie]

He pulled out of the tour on moral grounds

<quack> LE's just pulled out on Immoral grounds

 

[Richard]

When MacGill said he wasn't going the tour was going ahead, same as England with Harmison. So if the England tour is called off between now and when it is supposed to occur then Harmison's gesture becomes futile too?

Yes, of course it does.
But I don't think it's likely to be called-off.
No harm in hoping, though.

I think you have to look at what was happening at the time they made their decisions Richard, not what happened after the fact. You seem to throw things together quite well in hindsight.

Look, he said he didn't want to go somewhere - he didn't go. He wouldn't have gone if he'd said he wasn't willing to go or not.

 

[Richard]

At the time it was going to go ahead.

It's exactly the same as the MacGill - when he made it it looked more than likely to go ahead.

Yes, but it didn't go ahead.
That's all that matters.
Whether or not MacGill said he wasn't willing to go, he wouldn't have gone.
It didn't matter that he said he wasn't willing to go.
It probably will matter that Harmison says he's not willing to go. But even so, all it'll do is make him feel better - it won't help bring Mugabe down.

 

[marc71178]

When MacGill made the decision, the Tour was on, and his decision was meaningful and applaudable, regardless of it were later cancelled.

We know it won't bring Mugabe down, but as a gesture it was a superb act.

 

[biased indian]

He pulled out of the tour on moral grounds

the same moral ground that didnt pull him oput of the match aganist Zim in ICC champions trophy

 

[Richard]

Somehow I doubt c.h was picked to play in that!

 

[Richard]

When MacGill made the decision, the Tour was on, and his decision was meaningful and applaudable, regardless of it were later cancelled.

We know it won't bring Mugabe down, but as a gesture it was a superb act.

A gesture towards whom?
He shouldn't need to withdraw from a prospective tour to show he hates Mugabe's regime and despises what's going on there - that should just be part-and-parcel of being a thoughtful individual, it certainly is for me.
And regardless of the circumstances when he made the decision, the fact is it turned-out to be a decision he need not have made.

 

[marc71178]

Isn't it strange how only one person is making these comments when the rest of us appreciate the actions of the players?

 

[Mister Wright]

Isn't it strange how only one person is making these comments when the rest of us appreciate the actions of the players?

Yes, very, very strange.

 

[tooextracool]

Isn't it strange how only one person is making these comments when the rest of us appreciate the actions of the players?

i dont appreciate it at all....IMO its a pointless guesture, if hes trying to send a message to mugabe, i doubt mugabe gives 2 ***** over whether harmison comes to zimbabwe or not. if you dont like the president then say it to the world, instead of not going to his country to play a game of cricket.....

 

[luckyeddie]

Praise the Lord and keep your powder dry.

TEC and Richard finally agree on something - but this time, they're BOTH wrong.

 

[marc71178]

Well, they should listen to Neil and I!

 

[Craig]

So what you are claiming that the both you are the two people we should always listen to and know all?

 

[tooextracool]

Praise the Lord and keep your powder dry.

TEC and Richard finally agree on something - but this time, they're BOTH wrong.

oh we've agreed on a few things before.....such as read over jones in ODIs and lehmann an d craig white being extremely underrated......

 

[Sanz]

oh we've agreed on a few things before

That must have been humiliating for both of you.

 

[marc71178]

So what you are claiming that the both you are the two people we should always listen to and know all?

Every time Neil and I have posted the same point of view on this forum, it's been proven correct (eg we were 2 of the only people who advocated sticking with Harmison, because we recognised the selectors see a lot more of him than the public do, and if they're prepared to put their necks on the line, then there must be something in him)

 

[tooextracool]

That must have been humiliating for both of you.

yes it did have me questioning myself about those issues......

 

[Richard]

Every time Neil and I have posted the same point of view on this forum, it's been proven correct (eg we were 2 of the only people who advocated sticking with Harmison, because we recognised the selectors see a lot more of him than the public do, and if they're prepared to put their necks on the line, then there must be something in him)

See, this is the mad thing - you have now automatically been proven correct, on the evidence of 7 months of Test-cricket.
And the way you put it, regardless of what happens in the next 18, you'll still have been proven correct.

 

[Richard]

this time, they're BOTH wrong.

What, you think it will affect Mugabe that Harmison has refused to tour?
Personally I think it would simply be our best hope that everyone refused to play their side, anywhere, in all sports.
Even that I don't know would be guranteed to be a success.

 

[Tom Halsey]

we were 2 of the only people who advocated sticking with Harmison

I did too!