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South Africa team selection
- Thread starter StephenZA
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SeamUp
International Coach
It surprised me how well he did in the limited overs stuff last season. I remember being impressed right at the start in those T20s in India. The team seemed to perform greater than the sum of their parts at times.
Are you in agreement with Smith that the workloads becomes too much captaining Test and ODI ? It is right I guess, especially when you add keeper , key test batsman and limited overs opener.
Are you in agreement with Smith that the workloads becomes too much captaining Test and ODI ? It is right I guess, especially when you add keeper , key test batsman and limited overs opener.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Workload can be a problem. But I do think that it can depend so much on the character of the player, and the support he has from his team. Both coaching and players. What works for one does not necessarily work for another. If we end with a situation of QDK as captain, then ideally he stays at 6 and is not expected to be the primary engine room of the batting. He adds some cake and lots of topping.
Markram is the classic SA captain. Hard on himself and (probably) his troops expecting high levels constantly, but sometimes forgetting to enjoy himself? I just wonder having a captain that is more free in mind and action, and lives in the moment, might not benefit team morale and allow younger players to function better. It not like the steel won't be around with the likes of Boucher, Smith and Kallis around.
Markram is the classic SA captain. Hard on himself and (probably) his troops expecting high levels constantly, but sometimes forgetting to enjoy himself? I just wonder having a captain that is more free in mind and action, and lives in the moment, might not benefit team morale and allow younger players to function better. It not like the steel won't be around with the likes of Boucher, Smith and Kallis around.
SeamUp
International Coach
Still the biggest and first obstacle to overcome : https://www.news24.com/sport/cricke...ancer-that-is-not-getting-any-better-20200801
CSA hiring good people wanting to enhance cricket in SA to be a winning machine & not bringing in politics and self-interest would be a nice thought.
CSA hiring good people wanting to enhance cricket in SA to be a winning machine & not bringing in politics and self-interest would be a nice thought.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Graeme Smith digs in for the long haul at CSA
Amidst rumours running overtime of his possible resignation, South Africa's most successful Test skipper is adamant on being the man to lift CSA out of the current doldrums
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Can only hope that Smith will be capable of and allowed to do what he needs and wants to do.
Niall
International Coach
No winners in the battle between Smith and Tsolekile
Graeme Smith has issued a statement after he was accused by Thami Tsolekile, his former teammate, of dividing the dressing room and misusing his powers as captain
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Not going to downplay any accusations of racism from non white SA players, but their is an elephant in the room here which neither Smith or Tsoleklie want to say......he been included would have weakened the batting hugely. I know Rudolph had a so-so series, but was their anyone back then seriously suggesting Tsoleklie was on his level batting wise?
Dendarii
International Debutant
I do seem to remember him being in good form with the bat domestically at the time, but I'm not absolutely certain about that, and in any case it still made sense for AB to keep as it gave them more options for selections. However, I do think Tsolekile was a bit hard done by in this situation as if he was picked as the reserve keeper then he should have been the one to replace Boucher and it wasn't good selection policy for him not to so.No winners in the battle between Smith and Tsolekile
Graeme Smith has issued a statement after he was accused by Thami Tsolekile, his former teammate, of dividing the dressing room and misusing his powers as captain
Not going to downplay any accusations of racism from non white SA players, but their is an elephant in the room here which neither Smith or Tsoleklie want to say......he been included would have weakened the batting hugely. I know Rudolph had a so-so series, but was their anyone back then seriously suggesting Tsoleklie was on his level batting wise?
But while I have some sympathy for him with respect to that, it's not like he has a spotless career. The match-fixing ban aside, there are other stories I've heard that don't paint him in a favourable light. So his recent comments do come across as though he's trying to change the narrative a bit to reposition himself as an innocent victim in all of this.
That's not me trying to claim that there haven't been problems with racism in South African cricket as enough other non-white cricketers have spoken up. It's just that Tsolekile isn't the most credible of sources for me.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Tsolekile only got added to the squad later. I do think he was unlucky at the time, but there had been a clear idea for de Villers to keep after Boucher retired. But it is not unusual for keeping selection to be mired in controversy. Tsolekile though is creating a false narrative that is unfair to the other players of colour that have had a hard time of it, and some of whom do justifiably have complaints because the whole system is a mess.
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Thats is a better article from Telford, but more importantly it is a better explanation from Philander.
Philander ready to help rebuild cricket
The former Protea bowler sheds light on the country's entrenched and growing inequalities and more...
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Thats is a better article from Telford, but more importantly it is a better explanation from Philander.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Tsolekile’s pain is real but ...
Thami Tsolekile has a legitimate reason to feel aggrieved at his treatment with the Proteas but he can’t blame this for his demise, writes SA Cricket magazine editor RYAN VREDE.
Lots of fun over the weekend for cricket South Africa.
CSA shambles deepens as Nenzani resigns
Cricket South Africa president Chris Nenzani has resigned with immediate effect.
CSA names Beresford Williams as acting president
Cricket South Africa's members council has announced Beresford Williams as its acting president until the annual general meeting next month.
I just hope when the dust settles we end with a stronger structure. And the players can get out onto the park so we can have some cricket sooner rather than later.
MrPrez
International Debutant
How issues of race have cast South African cricket into turbulence this winter
The Black Lives Matter movement has set a fire raging in the game in the country | ESPN.com
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Our favourite cricket writer Firdose Moonda is now a racial politics expert too, I see.
Some gems like:
"The implication is that it is his friendship with Smith that has got him the job. Boucher's five trophies in three seasons with the Titans is compared with the three trophies in one season Enoch Nkwe swept in his maiden summer as a franchise coach, even though Boucher has been a franchise coach for longer. Still, the likes of Manack and Prince - himself a franchise coach - have asked why Nkwe is Boucher's deputy?"
The answer is implied literally one sentence before the question...?
"That incident has come to light again, this time with the allegation that de Villiers blocked Zondo's selection. de Villiers denied that he did but admitted he wanted David Miller in the team instead because the series was on the line and experience was needed. de Villiers called it a "cricketing" decision. The trouble is in the wording.
When selection decisions are made about players of colour, it's about transformation. When selection decision are made about white players, it's about cricket. The insinuation that players of colour cannot be the subject of strategic selections is the same as the one that asks if transformation has to come at the expense of winning. It assumes that excellence and representation are mutually exclusive"
When selection decisions are made about players of colour, it's about transformation. When selection decision are made about white players, it's about cricket. The insinuation that players of colour cannot be the subject of strategic selections is the same as the one that asks if transformation has to come at the expense of winning. It assumes that excellence and representation are mutually exclusive"
Using the Zondo vs Miller selection to justify the bolded is just ridiculous. Miller was the experienced player and having such a stance is justifiable. Attributing the decision to race is disingenuous.
We also seem to be entering a territory whereby fringe players not getting much game time on tours is being attributed to racism rather than, well, being fringe players. Which doesn't help the actual narrative.
I'm not for a second claiming that there hasn't been subliminal racism in SA cricket over the years but you've got to make a better argument than that.
I think there also needs to be a discussion around whether quotas could have also played a role - players forcibly being picked for teams based on their skin colour and the senior players, coaches, and captains not giving them opportunities they don't perceive them to be deserving of.
Prince EWS
Global Moderator
Most of her "cricket" articles have always been about that. I'd be much more likely to give her credit for her knowledge in that area than actual cricket tbh, disagree with her on both topics as I largely do.
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StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Fidrose has been grinding click bait articles on this stuff for years. She has about as much ability to argue the points in a valid manner or show any expertise, as most of my friends do after their second pint; as they complain in the most indignant and petulant manner, about their most egregious life issues brought on by this most evil of politics.
StephenZA
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
CSA unveils new-look high-performance team: Maketa heads up SA 'A', Conrad leads SA U-19s | Sport
Cricket South Africa announced its High-Performance management team which will work in alignment with the Proteas men's and women's staff.
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Feels like a good selection of people over all. Now if only we could get the rest of CSA sorted out.
Heboric
International Regular
Yikes very sad news, all the best to the Philander family:
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Vernon Philander's younger brother reportedly shot dead
Philander says family "coming to terms with the brutal murder"
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honestbharani
Whatever it takes!!!
RIP Philander's bro. This is shocking. 
SeamUp
International Coach
When corrupt minded people get into power which has basically happened in all of cricket in SA. But as we all know, it isn't just cricket in SA.
Some of the stuff is behind paywalls now. But we can take from the leadlines.
www.iol.co.za
www.iol.co.za
www.news24.com
www.news24.com
www.news24.com
Some of the stuff is behind paywalls now. But we can take from the leadlines.
CSA forensic report: A picture of a dysfunctional structure
All the blame for all of Cricket South Africa’s problems in the last two years is placed at the feet of axed chief executive Thabang Moroe. Surely, more heads must roll?
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It’s clear as daylight: CSA admin wants to cleanse CSA of the mess THEY created
Cricket South Africa’s current administrators and Board want to restructure the organisation, but... should they be allowed to do so?
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EXCLUSIVE | 'Service Provider X' revealed - the person Fundudzi alleges CSA paid R3.5m without following proper processes | Sport
Sport24 has uncovered the name of “Service Provider X”, who was implicated in the Fundudzi Summary Report.
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EXCLUSIVE | Judge Ngoepe clears Easterns president Peter Vonya, after more power struggles in cricket | Sport
Sport24 can exclusively reveal that Judge Ngoepe has ruled the attempt to oust sitting Easterns president Xolani Peter Vonya was irregular.
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Parliament will consider legal options if CSA again fails to deliver full Fundudzi report | Sport
Parliament’s sport portfolio committee is ready to assign its legal team to the case should Cricket SA fail to deliver the full Fundudzi report as promised on Friday.
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SeamUp
International Coach
CSA R200K credit card booze bill: Naasei Appiah questions 'biased' Fundudzi report | Sport
Former COO Naasei Appiah has questioned the Fundudzi summary report, which alleges he spent R200 000 on booze using the company credit card.
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