South Africa team selection

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I liked what little I saw of Hamza against Pakistan. They really should have played him against Sri Lanka in hindsight. Instead, Bavuma got yet another go and was a complete failure.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

I liked what little I saw of Hamza against Pakistan. They really should have played him against Sri Lanka in hindsight. Instead, Bavuma got yet another go and was a complete failure.

If they were going to play Hamza, it should have been for a bowler. Rabada really isn't a 9

 

[StephenZA]

There is a 3-day game v a Board Presidents XI

Good to hear... time on the park at least.

 

[StephenZA]

I liked what little I saw of Hamza against Pakistan. They really should have played him against Sri Lanka in hindsight. Instead, Bavuma got yet another go and was a complete failure.

If they wanted to drop on form it needed to be for Amla, Bavuma had scored alright during the Pakistan series. Amla was not gonna be dropped at that time.

If they were going to play Hamza, it should have been for a bowler. Rabada really isn't a 9

Rabada is an excellent 9. Definite batting potential. Whether Hamza should have played instead of Mulder as a batting allrounder is debatable now. Think there was concerns around Steyns fitness and we lost Philander.

 

[GoodAreasShane]

Rabada is an excellent 9. Definite batting potential. Whether Hamza should have played instead of Mulder as a batting allrounder is debatable now. Think there was concerns around Steyns fitness and we lost Philander.

Rabada's batting is a myth. Never registered a 50 in any top level game.

Love his bowling though

 

[StephenZA]

Rabada's batting is a myth. Never registered a 50 in any top level game.

Love his bowling though

Nobody is pretending he is an allrounder. But his ability is clearly there. Number of excellent lower contributions staying with the batsmen. And a number of long stints at the crease as a nightwatchmen. Point is he is not a bunny, and thus perfectly fine as a 9.

 

[akilana]

I liked what little I saw of Hamza against Pakistan. They really should have played him against Sri Lanka in hindsight. Instead, Bavuma got yet another go and was a complete failure.

Bavuma is guaranteed a spot regardless of how many times he has failed. He doesn't have a higher ceiling to be persisted with.

 

[Groundking]

The test team has a few variables but 2 main one's.

1. Elgar
2. Markram
3. Hamza
4. de Bruyn
5. Du Plessis
6. Bavuma
7. de Kock
8. Philander
9. Maharaj
10. Rabada
11. Ngidi

or

Piedt for Philander/Ngidi

Nortje only plays if those fast bowlers are struggling or injured.

Like wise for Muthusamy and Klaasen for injury in the top 6/7 too.

Looking at this suggests the England tour is going to be similar to the current Ashes (minus Smith) with 2 crap batting line ups and 2 good Bowling line ups up against each other.

That bowling line up is seriously fierce though, holy crap.

 

[StephenZA]

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Allan Donald will take up a position as a consulting coach for all Free State Cricket teams, including the Knights franchise, for the duration of October, the Free State Cricket Union announced on Wednesday.

Donald, 52, will be leaving his position as Kent's assistant coach at the end of this season, upon completion of a two-year stint with the county

Good to hear. Chances of the next SA bowling coach?

 

[SeamUp]

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Good to hear. Chances of the next SA bowling coach?

Been there done that I reckon but really happy to see a legend willing to give back even at this stage of his coaching career where he seems to always have been in demand. I don't think there is enough wisdom like this in our current cricketing system from school level up like it used to be.

 

[StephenZA]

Be nice if Donald came back into SA setup, just because we have a number of young bowlers running around. Not quite the experience there used to be within the setup. Else if he is staying within the SA borders maybe bring him into the emerging and academy setups. Lots of fine young bowlers that could benefit from his experience and knowledge.

 

[MrPrez]

Almost certain Bavuma won't bat at 6. He should, but he won't.

Realistically it should be
3. Hamza
4. Du Plessis/de Bruyn
5. Du Plessis/ de Bruyn
6. Bavuma.

de Bruyn should definitely be looking at 4 long-term but for now they may look to put Du Plessis at four just because he's experienced and they might not like the idea of an inexperienced 3/4. I'd probably agree tbh.

 

[marc71178]

If they were going to play Hamza, it should have been for a bowler. Rabada really isn't a 9

I'd argue he's more of a 9 than Philander is a 7, which they've been known to try.

 

[SeamUp]

Almost certain Bavuma won't bat at 6. He should, but he won't.

Realistically it should be
3. Hamza
4. Du Plessis/de Bruyn
5. Du Plessis/ de Bruyn
6. Bavuma.

de Bruyn should definitely be looking at 4 long-term but for now they may look to put Du Plessis at four just because he's experienced and they might not like the idea of an inexperienced 3/4. I'd probably agree tbh.

I hope this thought process doesn't happen.

Faf or Bavuma aren't test 3/4 and probably the earlier Zubayr/Theunis come in , in the sub the better.

Faf probably retires after our home Test summer. Goes T20 freelance and maybe a county deal as why would Kent play him for 1 County Championship game if they not lining him up for next season I reckon.

 

[Rasimione]

How long a rope does Bavuma still have? I'm not convinced he's our answer at 6. Mulder/De Kock should be batting there IMO.

 

[SeamUp]

How long a rope does Bavuma still have? I'm not convinced he's our answer at 6. Mulder/De Kock should be batting there IMO.

Until the right people start scoring the runs and getting the hundreds. I would say only really Rudi Second has done it and could play as a batsman right away for him. Maybe Keegan Petersen (but I have the same concerns about tempo of an innings as I do with Bavuma) and Bedingham (but needs to back up his first season). The other is if they go with the all-rounder Mulder.

But until Breetzke, van Tonder, Qeshile start scoring the 100s and nailing the door down I think there may be a bit of uncertainty for a while. SA needs to find some world class batsmen again.

Elgar
Markram
Hamza
de Bruyn
Faf
Bavuma
de Kock

Moore
J.Malan
van Tonder
Breetzke
Qeshile
Second
Mulder

Personally I think Verreynne and Klaasen have to play as keepers which is what may effect them in the long-term. For differing reasons. Can Verreynne start scoring 100s to influence games as a pure batsmen. Regular 50s are nice for a wk. Klaasen is a very positive number 7 batsmen like de Kock and it is why I think they went to him first initially as back-up test wk but can he bat 5/6 for a test team with the extra pressure of scoring 100s and not being a wk I am not so sure.

 

[SeamUp]

Duanne Olivier castles Faf for a duck. 3 wickets in 4 overs for Olivier.

 

[StephenZA]

Personally I think Verreynne and Klaasen have to play as keepers which is what may effect them in the long-term. For differing reasons. Can Verreynne start scoring 100s to influence games as a pure batsmen. Regular 50s are nice for a wk. Klaasen is a very positive number 7 batsmen like de Kock and it is why I think they went to him first initially as back-up test wk but can he bat 5/6 for a test team with the extra pressure of scoring 100s and not being a wk I am not so sure.

I personally don't see a place long term for Klaasen, I look at Verreynne as a LO player coming in at 6 for SA.

Ultimately some of the decisions around QDK may give these players opportunity. I hope they don't change his position but seems to have shown a want to play at 4, and now looking at captaincy? Think he needs to stay at 6/7 for SA and wicket keep.

 

[SeamUp]

I personally don't see a place long term for Klaasen, I look at Verreynne as a LO player coming in at 6 for SA.

Ultimately some of the decisions around QDK may give these players opportunity. I hope they don't change his position but seems to have shown a want to play at 4, and now looking at captaincy? Think he needs to stay at 6/7 for SA and wicket keep.

The responsibility of scoring 100s for your team is a totally different pressure so I am hoping QdK sticks with the gloves.

It would be interesting to know the ranking of keeping ability of all of them. Quinny probably still the best.

Was looking at our World Test Championship schedule. Faf will go after England most probably.


2019/20
away v India (3)
home v England (4)

2020
away v Windies (2)

2020/21
away v Pakistan (2)
home v Sri Lanka (2)
home v Australia (3)

 

[SeamUp]

2 changes.

De Bruyn for Hamza & Philander for Jansen.

Not sure why you wouldplay P.Malan & not Moore.

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