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South Africa team selection

StephenZA

StephenZA

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J. Malan really deserves a full shot. Does not seem the most talented of the youngsters (not so young anymore) but has put up good FC numbers and has continued to perform.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
StephenZA said:
J. Malan really deserves a full shot. Does not seem the most talented of the youngsters (not so young anymore) but has put up good FC numbers and has continued to perform.
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Indeed. Only really J.Malan, van Tonder and Breetzke coming out with any positives with the bat. Qeshile we all know is probably better suited to the longer format at this stage.

Marco Jansen and Thando Ntini outshining Nandre Burger with the ball.

Rickelton, Petersen, Bedingham, Verreynne, Dupavillon playing no representative cricket this winter.

SA U19s a similar boat : Pakistan Under-19s in South Africa Youth ODI Series, 2019 - South Africa Under-19s Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com

Bird the clear stand-out with the bat. Terblance got runs but not at ideal scoring rate. Parsons faded a bit but did have an injury. But only Bird(85) and Parsons (90) had a strike-rate above 70 in the main batsman.

Coetzee and Cloete the stand-out quicks.
 
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StephenZA

StephenZA

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SeamUp said:
Rickelton, Petersen, Bedingham, Verreynne, Dupavillon playing no representative cricket this winter.
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Sad to see. Good players would like to see them playing something.

SeamUp said:
SA U19s a similar boat : Pakistan Under-19s in South Africa Youth ODI Series, 2019 - South Africa Under-19s Cricket Team Records & Stats | ESPNcricinfo.com

Bird the clear stand-out with the bat. Terblance got runs but not at ideal scoring rate. Parsons faded a bit but did have an injury. But only Bird(85) and Parsons (90) had a strike-rate above 70 in the main batsman.

Coetzee and Cloete the stand-out quicks.
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Bird and Parsons really sound the business and seem to be showing it. U19 needs a serious coaching shake up.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
StephenZA said:
Sad to see. Good players would like to see them playing something.

Bird and Parsons really sound the business and seem to be showing it. U19 needs a serious coaching shake up.
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Hopefully when I get the time I am going to look into the SA u19 results since the current coach took charge.

As we all know results aren't the only thing that is important at that level but if our young players keep on being part of a losing culture in the green and gold it isn't good.

You then also got to wonder of the individual development has been stunted under the current coaching set-up too. Personally I felt Jennings was preparing players better for senior cricket but it will be tough to judge with the varying degrees of strengths of domestic competition over time.
 
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StephenZA

StephenZA

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StephenZA said:
I just realised it was day before the announcement, not even actual selection. But reading between the lines I think what you see is Faf and Otis clearly aware of the potential huge batting problems begging Zondi to Include ABdV. I do wonder if Otis and Faf may have gone to ABdV and asked him to consider it first? ABdV may have just said yes to late.
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Heboric said:
AB speaks out and tells his side of World Cup selection issue

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/C...-made-no-world-cup-selection-demands-20190712
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Kinda what I said way back when. I still think Gibson went to Zondi wanting to get de Villers back in and was told no unless de Villers played those matches against SL and Pak. Then when de Villers queried about it Gibson made another appeal to Zondi who turned him down. I don't think it would have made as much of a difference to this WC for SA. We had problems, have problems and will continue to have problems until we can sort out the FC structure, coaching and administration issues.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
Over the weekend

Otis Gibson's review
Director of Cricket appointment

Sounds like it was a massive meeting for the immediate future of SA cricket.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
Sounds good but I worry about the effect the structures beneath have had in the last 4/5 years that will make things difficult for us to compete with the best any more.

Our domestic structure was hurt by CSA/government where winning culture and excellence had to take a back seat.

Desperately hope there is good things to look forward to in SA cricket but this last while has been the worst it has been since re-admission and I am not sure I have faith that the right people are going to be put in place.
 
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StephenZA

StephenZA

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SeamUp said:
Sounds good but I worry about the effect the structures beneath have had in the last 4/5 years that will make things difficult for us to compete with the best any more.

Our domestic structure was hurt by CSA/government where winning culture and excellence had to take a back seat.

Desperately hope there is good things to look forward to in SA cricket but this last while has been the worst it has been since re-admission and I am not sure I have faith that the right people are going to be put in place.
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Biggest concern. Structural changes may be good but pointless if you don't pick the right people to run it. I am happy to see Gibson is gone, and having Van Zyl take over as interim director is hopeful but we shall see what happens.
 
SeamUp

SeamUp

International Coach
StephenZA said:
Houwing takes on the axing of Gibson.
https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/Proteas/ottiss-proteas-stunners-who-turned-too-sickly-20190804.


https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/P...den-death-of-the-head-coach-position-20190805
Apparently Faf committed to T20 (WC obviously coming up) and Tests. I think they will do a total overall of the ODI squad.
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Just hope some more big blows don't have to happen still but I fear India away and England home will ensure the true acid test.

So team manager then. Boucher or Prince or Nkwe most likely.
Batting : Who is there even bar Neil McKenzie ? We lost HD Ackerman. Guys like Smith/Kallis aren't involved in this and the previous generation like G.Kirsten, Cullinan etc is pretty much moved past.
I see Jonty Rhodes has applied for India fielding coach but we've been there. Keep Ontong or can you risk someone like Gibbs who seems to have wanted a role for a while,
Fast bowling is anyone's guess. We've had Donald/Langeveldt who are both overseas now. Who actually is there to keep challenging our gun fast bowlers ?
Spin bowling. See no reason to move from Claude Henderson or anyone challenging him.
 
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