South Africa ATG - Open Voting

[ankitj]

Procter was a top class batsman - you don't get six consecutive first class centuries by being a fast bowler with a good eye - he was quality

Interesting. Would love to know more on Procter. You actually think he is better than Sobers, Imran and Botham?

 

[Prince EWS]

It doesn't sit well with me either, but Kallis's presence means a second spinner, if he's of comparable quality to a fifth seamer (& Tayfield is, at worst, that) is going to be more useful.

Polly's batting would be nice, but given Proctor (probz)/keeper at seven and eight it's less of a factor.

&, yes, I did vote for a fourth specialist seamer ahead of Gibbs in the WI AT XI before some clever **** points it out (looking at PEWS mainly here), but that's because I think Garner/Holding (depending who one ranks fourth) is a markedly better option than Big Lance.

Clever ****

Seems like a good custom title if I ever step down from mod duties.

 

[Himannv]

Procter and Tayfield.

 

[watson]

Procter and Tayfield.

 

[watson]

Shaun Pollock and Mike Proctor although if I was voting for a spinner I'd vote for Vogler over Tayfield

Thanks for mentioning Bert Vogler as I hadn't heard of him before. Seems like a worthy challenger to Tayfield's spot.

Another interesting spinner is Cyril Vincent;

Cyril Vincent, who died on August 24, 1968, aged 66, was a left-arm spinner and capable lower-order batsman who played 25 Tests for South Africa between 1927-28 and 1935. However, he only ever played in two Currie Cup matches, apparently because he could not get time off work. He was renowned for bowling long spells tirelessly. At Durban in 1930-31 he took 6 for 51 against England to secure the rubber for South Africa and he had match figures of 8 for 149 in the Headingley Test of 1935. He was later chairman of the South African selectors.
Wisden Cricketers' Almanack

5th Test: South Africa v England at Durban, Feb 21-25, 1931 | Cricket Scorecard | ESPN Cricinfo
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/62630.html

 

[grecian]

Clever ****

Seems like a good custom title if I ever step down from mod duties.

Paranoid android would be better tbf.

 

[Blakus]

Shaun Pollock
Hugh Tayfield

 

[grecian]

Procter scored 48 first-class tons, S Pollock 6.

In some ways Procter's abbreviated Test stats give his bowling an exaggerated look at his ability with the ball, but so does his batting figures in the derogatory sense for those 7 matches.

 

[JBMAC]

Proctor and Tayfield

 

[Flametree]

Procter and Tayfield.

(Would have had Pollock S opening the bowling mind...)

 

[morgieb]

Shuan Pollock
Mike Procter

Bit of a tactical vote as I feel Procter didn't play enough to be considered, but it looks like he'll make it anyway.

 

[kingkallis]

Procter and S Pollock.

Would've picked Tayfield but guess Faulkner will be the spinner. I have doubts on Faulkner's bowling though.

Aubrey was a good spinner but I would never pick him as the Main spinner of my team when I am picking an ATG team for a nation.

Hugh Tayfield was just an amazing spinner and is a better option than Polly as the team already have decent batting line up.

 

[Garson007]

Procter scored 48 first-class tons, S Pollock 6.

In some ways Procter's abbreviated Test stats give his bowling an exaggerated look at his ability with the ball, but so does his batting figures in the derogatory sense for those 7 matches.

I think the greatest failure there is that Pollock just never had to bat for very long.

 

[Jager]

Procky and Tayfield easily

 

[watson]

Aubrey was a good spinner but I would never pick him as the Main spinner of my team when I am picking an ATG team for a nation.

Hugh Tayfield was just an amazing spinner and is a better option than Polly as the team already have decent batting line up.

I think that we should not down-play Faulkner's bowling too much. His numbers against Australia aren't too flash but it's hard to argue against his overall figures;

Matches = 25
Wickets = 82
Average = 26.58
Strike Rate = 51.5

I've also heard from a few CW posters that Faulkner was a batsman who learnt to bowl. Actually it was the other way round - he began his career as a bowler.

FAULKNER, MAJOR GEORGE AUBREY, born at Port Elizabeth on December 17, 1881, died of gas poisoning at the Faulkner School of Cricket, Ltd., on September 10, at the age of 48. During the South African War andwhilst living in Cape Town, he received some coaching from Walter Richards, of Warwickshire, then engaged by Western Province, and later became not only one of the dominating figures in South African cricket but also one of the finest of all-round players. One of the earliest exponents of the googly, he differed from other bowlers of that type because of his ability to send down quite a fast ball, almost a yorker, and when at his best, with faultless length, skill in turning the ball either way and a puzzling variation of flight he proved too much for some of the world's greatest batsmen.

Many will remember his fine bowling at Leeds in 1907 when, playing for South Africa in the second Test match of that series against England, he dismissed six men in the course of eleven overs for 17 runs. His career was full of remarkable performances. In that same season of 1907 he, in all matches for the South Africans, scored 1,288 runs and took seventy-three wickets. He was probably at his best in 1909-10 when his doings with both bat and ball against the English team were magnificent. When South Africa visited Australia in the season of 1910-11, Faulkner headed the Test match batting averages with 732 runs and an average of 73.20. In all matches during that tour he scored 2,080 runs, taking sixty wickets, and in the Test match at Melbourne he hit a splendid 204. For the team of 1912 he made 1,075 runs and obtained 163 wickets. Although at the beginning of his career, particularly at the time when he first became prominent in South African Inter-State cricket in 1906, he was of little value as a batsman, he became as the years passed, almost as great a batsman as he was a bowler. His style rather conveyed the impression of awkwardness and he could not, at any time, be described as a free, forcible bat. Nevertheless, very few men made runs with more assurance than Faulkner, and he was a most difficult batsman to get out. After settling down in England he had a great season in club cricket in Nottinghamshire, making twelve hundreds in scoring 2,868 runs with an average of 84.35, besides taking 218 wickets, including all ten in an innings on two occasions. Still, his finest innings in this country was at Eastbourne in 1921 when by a wonderful 153 against the Australians--up to that point an unbeaten side--he virtually gave victory to A. C. MacLaren's XI. Faulkner was also a first-rate field.

When the time came for him to retire from the game, he gained much distinction as acoach. He followed a theory entirely his own when he established the first cricket school known in London and at the time of his death the school had earned world-wide fame. Faulkner devoted the greater part of his time to the school, though he found opportunity to write many articles on the game. During the European War he served with distinction with the R.F.A. in Salonika, Egypt and Palestine, gaining the D.S.O. in 1918 and the Order of the Nile.

Wisden - George Aubrey Faulkner

 

[centurymaker]

Mike Procter
Shaun Pollock

 

[Howe_zat]

Procter, Tayfield

 

[kyear2]

Procter: 25
Tayfield: 17
Pollock: 11
Adcock: 1

 

[kyear2]

Team so far

Barry Richards
Graeme Smith
Jacques Kallis
Dudley Nourse
Graeme Pollock
Mike Procter

Hugh Tayfield
Dale Steyn
Allan Donald

Next up Wicket Keeper

Kindly choose one of the following wks of one of your own choosing

H.B "Jock" Cameron
John Waite
Dennis Lindsay
Lee Irvine
Dave Richardson
Mark Boucher

 

[Prince EWS]

John Waite