So is India safe to tour or is it just a media beat-up?

[Sanz]

IPL stands for INDIAN Premier League. The tournament should be held in India with or without the International Players.

 

[Streetwise]

Smith as an individual has all the right to question the security. He is not calling for solidarity among the SA players.

How sure are you of that.

"The boards of the different countries can't really be expected to review the security plans so it falls to the players associations in each country to do this for players. We take that responsibility very seriously. I can't think of anything more important than player safety and we won't compromise in any way on that."

Now I'm only quoting Smith so no shooting the messenger.

 

[Streetwise]

IPL stands for INDIAN Premier League. The tournament should be held in India with or without the International Players.

Agreed and it would not make one iotas difference if the Australian players attend or not. There is absolutely no reason for threats to any player now or in the future.

 

[Sanz]

How sure are you of that.

"The boards of the different countries can't really be expected to review the security plans so it falls to the players associations in each country to do this for players. We take that responsibility very seriously. I can't think of anything more important than player safety and we won't compromise in any way on that."

Now I'm only quoting Smith so no shooting the messenger.

Please do not make false claims. The above statement was not made by Smith but by Tony Irish.

Tony Irish, the SACA chief executive, said, "The Jaipur threat was investigated by CSA's security consultants, Nicholls Steyn and Associates. We will rely on their advice as to its legitimacy, what level of risk it presents to the team and what security measures are necessary."
He also agreed that the IPL represented a very different set of circumstances to a national tour where security was more easily controlled. "The IPL is an Indian domestic tournament and the players go there as individuals playing for eight different franchise teams," Irish said. "The boards of the different countries can't really be expected to review the security plans so it falls to the players associations in each country to do this for players. We take that responsibility very seriously. I can't think of anything more important than player safety and we won't compromise in any way on that."


SACA = South African Cricketers Association.

 

[jeevan]

Do you think its an honest approach by the IPL to threaten future discrimination if they dont go on security issues.

They could call them untouchables eh.

The relationship between IPL and its players is that of business partners. If a business partner B is unable to provide services to A this year, it is fair for "A" to blacklist (not blackmail) B and seek services from alternate parties C,D,E in the future. Happens all the time.

This is not a value judgement on partner B. There might be a perfectly legitimate reason to not supply services this year.

This isn't a value judgement on partner A. They have a perfectly legitimate reason to want their business to continue as normally as possible, and in the manner that they want.

It is also not a value judgement on someone who wants B,C,D,E to try to form a cartel and get the best possible terms from A. Also equally fair for "A" to try to bust the cartel.

There is nothing unfair about either A or B prevailing, and also a lot of sense in them working together. Also nothing unfair about any of A-E being in a better bargaining position.

To me, no lines are crossed until: A) The players union doesn't threaten any of it's members with loss of union membership or anything else. B) IPL doesn't arm twist any board into tying the board contracts with this IPL business.

 

[Sanz]

Agreed and it would not make one iotas difference if the Australian players attend or not. There is absolutely no reason for threats to any player now or in the future.

It does make difference for the Team Owners. For example Royals Captain is Warne, Charger's captain is Gilchrist. Royals are nothing without Warne. Deccans have invested heavily in Gilly. Their absence in IPL3 will definately hurt these two franchises.

You should also watch the promos for IPL, Warne, Lee etc have been big part of it and they have been promoting that the event is back where it belongs and now for them to not show up will definitely affect the IPL3 fan turnout.

 

[Sanz]

The relationship between IPL and its players is that of business partners. If a business partner B is unable to provide services to A this year, it is fair for "A" to blacklist (not blackmail) B and seek services from alternate parties C,D,E in the future. Happens all the time.

This is not a value judgement on partner B. There might be a perfectly legitimate reason to not supply services this year.

This isn't a value judgement on partner A. They have a perfectly legitimate reason to want their business to continue as normally as possible, and in the manner that they want.

It is also not a value judgement on someone who wants B,C,D,E to try to form a cartel and get the best possible terms from A. Also equally fair for "A" to try to bust the cartel.

There is nothing unfair about either A or B prevailing, and also a lot of sense in them working together. Also nothing unfair about any of A-E being in a better bargaining position.

To me, no lines are crossed until: A) The players union doesn't threaten any of it's members with loss of union membership or anything else. B) IPL doesn't arm twist any board into tying the board contracts with this IPL business.

Pretty much seals the argument.

 

[Streetwise]

Please do not make false claims. The above statement was not made by Smith but by Tony Irish.

Tony Irish, the SACA chief executive, said, "The Jaipur threat was investigated by CSA's security consultants, Nicholls Steyn and Associates. We will rely on their advice as to its legitimacy, what level of risk it presents to the team and what security measures are necessary."
He also agreed that the IPL represented a very different set of circumstances to a national tour where security was more easily controlled. "The IPL is an Indian domestic tournament and the players go there as individuals playing for eight different franchise teams," Irish said. "The boards of the different countries can't really be expected to review the security plans so it falls to the players associations in each country to do this for players. We take that responsibility very seriously. I can't think of anything more important than player safety and we won't compromise in any way on that."


SACA = South African Cricketers Association.

Yes I did misread it, but I still think that SACA members just by association will provide a united more front than a independent attitude.

 

[four_or_six]

Ponting and ACA have been trying to sabotage the IPL by trying to put up a fake solidatity front and forcing the players to do so. If one player boycotts IPL, everyone of them. And it is anybody's guess that Ponting is going to boycott the IPL. If that is not unprofessional then what is ?

Ponting doesn't even have an IPL contract, and is retired from all forms of T20 cricket, how can he boycott the IPL?

 

[Streetwise]

Ponting doesn't even have an IPL contract, and is retired from all forms of T20 cricket, how can he boycott the IPL?

Old Indian rope trick, attack Ponting and the real issue will be smothered.

 

[Sir Alex]

Old Indian rope trick, attack Ponting and the real issue will be smothered.

Why is he intervening in the players' affairs then if he is not there in the IPL?

 

[Craig]

Healy would be a better option to commentate with Gavaskar. I wish they strangle each other till boht break their voice chords and the world of cricket would be better for it.

/Thread.

 

[Streetwise]

Why is he intervening in the players' affairs then if he is not there in the IPL?

He isnt, Modi is intervening in FICA afairs.

 

[Edged&Taken]

yeah telling FICA to **** off, we don't recognise you is called intervening

 

[silentstriker]

It's so wrong, the way Modi slags off players left right and centre. His comments about Ponting yesterday were unbelievably childish and totally unprofessional.

Yes, they were.

Do you think its an honest approach by the IPL to threaten future discrimination if they dont go on security issues.

Hey, we don't want to pay you if you don't come play for us. Shocking, I know. I'm glad my boss keeps paying me when I don't show up for work.

Old Indian rope trick, attack Ponting and the real issue will be smothered.

Yes, there is an annual meeting of 1.2 billion Indians where we all (expat and current residents) decide how best to attack Ponting in the next 12 months.

 

[Streetwise]

Yes, there is an annual meeting of 1.2 billion Indians where we all (expat and current residents) decide how best to attack Ponting in the next 12 months.

I knew you would come clean eventually.

 

[G.I.Joe]

If you look at it sensibly this is the only way to actually let the players themselves make the decision. If some players just cashing in on the money decide to go which allows the IPL to blackmail the players by threating to ban them in the future. (You must admit that by putting future punishments on the players if they dont attend now after being given a security report advising them against playing is not making the issue simply a security issue.) If all the players make a united decision then the threat of future punishment at the hands of the IPL is negated which means the players make the decision.

People who are in unions will understand why its important that the players are the ones making the decision without threats.

That is not true, though. FICA has no power to force its members to not play the IPL, there will never be the sort of united front they dream of. There will be a sizeable chunk of players willing to ignore them. The only way FICA could manage such a united front is if they arm twisted their members to not play the IPL, which is ironically what real world power drunk unions are all about.

 

[pasag]

Yeah, Modi's Twitter is very strange. Very un-executive like, though the interaction with fans is quite revolutionary. It's basically an ongoing question and answer although could probably do with a bit of polish.

 

[Matt79]

Why is he intervening in the players' affairs then if he is not there in the IPL?

I must have missed where and when this occurred? Is there actually any basis for the claims that Ponting is agitating against the IPL, besides Modi's unprofessional tweet?

EDIT: Genuine question btw

 

[silentstriker]

He is hardly agitating. He is part of the Australian Players Association or whatever it is, and he wants all the Australians to make a collective decision so they can stand united. It is a legitimate opinion to have.

And smart too - because if they don't stand united, they have zero leverage. IPL will gleefully see the chance to have another photo-op with those who came (like Warne, Gilchrist, Hayden, etc) and happily ban those who chose to stay way. If, on the other hand, they all decide to collectively say no, Modi's hands will be more tied, and it would be much harder businesswise, and politically, to ban all Australian players with IPL contracts.

If I were in Modi's position, I'd try my best to make sure at least the big stars (Gilchrist, Warne) came - I'd double their salaries even - to entice them to come. If I were in Ponting's position, I'd try to do whatever I could to make sure the whole organization presents a united face. If Modi succeeds, he can do whatever he wants to the players who didn't come, including banning, which would probably destroy the player's unions leverage in the future. If the union succeeds, they can force more security arrangements, venue switches, etc, and make sure the demands are met.

It makes sense from both perspectives - it's just each side jostling for leverage.