Simon Jones - International Failure?

[Swervy]

Who's to say someone's got talent? It's purely down to guesswork if the respective player isn't performing at domestic level.

thats what selectors do, they go out and watch players...its a bit more than guesswork. Selectors use their experience to gauging the talent a player has when watching them play...they dont just use the latest county averages

 

[Richard]

not 100% in agreement with you there...nets do not compare to the learning experience gained by actaully playing the game...as has been said before , much of this game is played in the mind, mental toughness is what makes Player A a success over Player B when both have the same talent and physical atributes...you can only get that through playing competitivly

You can get it by simply having it.
Some have it, others don't.
It's not easy to acquire it.
You'll only find-out whether someone's got it by watching them play competitively, but equally if you've got mental toughness and you're not that talented you're not worth a second thought.

 

[Richard]

A lot of players, young or old, have disappointing FC stats, and don't play like match-winners when in action. Is there any harm in trying out someone who has average stats with a lot of power and potential, over someone who has played a lot more matches with slightly better stats who'll just make up the numbers?

How can you assume someone has potential just because they've got power, if they haven't got a good domestic record?

 

[Richard]

thats what selectors do, they go out and watch players...its a bit more than guesswork. Selectors use their experience to gauging the talent a player has when watching them play...they dont just use the latest county averages

And the trouble comes when you watch someone play like the million-dollars and assume that, because they've played like that when you've been watching, they're going to play like that regularly when you pick them for international cricket.
Even if they've not played well for the entire rest of the season.
The thing about averages is they're generally a good reflection of how well someone has played over a consistant period of time, not just when you happen to watch them.

 

[nookie_lk]

simon jones is far better than the other bowlers in england...specially caddick...what the hell does he bowl ??? i prefer jones than the rest of the bowlers in the bench

 

[Tom Halsey]

Joke or not, that's not a wise thing to say.
Harmison has a bad next 3 Tests (look at the suggestions for pitch-conditions at Edgbaston and Trent Bridge, and we all know The Oval...) and that comment'll come back to haunt you time and again.
Because we all know what a fantastic bowler McGrath is on wickets that don't move off the seam.

So, inspite of all that's happened lately, Harmison still isn't world class?

He's only had one average Test, and people are saying this again!

 

[Swervy]

So, inspite of all that's happened lately, Harmison still isn't world class?

He's only had one average Test, and people are saying this again!

...and he actually bowled quite well as well at Lords

 

[biased indian]

So, inspite of all that's happened lately, Harmison still isn't world class?

He's only had one average Test, and people are saying this again!

no he is too good for WI and NZ and will have to wait and see how he performs aganist others

 

[marc71178]

And the trouble comes when you watch someone play like the million-dollars and assume that, because they've played like that when you've been watching, they're going to play like that regularly when you pick them for international cricket.

Except they don't just watch a player once and make an instant judgment...

 

[Richard]

simon jones is far better than the other bowlers in england...specially caddick...what the hell does he bowl ??? i prefer jones than the rest of the bowlers in the bench

Jones better than Caddick, you're having a laugh.

 

[Richard]

So, inspite of all that's happened lately, Harmison still isn't world class?

He's only had one average Test, and people are saying this again!

No, of course you can't call someone World-class on the evidence of half a year.
You need to be doing well for at least a whole year before you can make that sort of judgement.
English supporters are doing nothing but setting themselves up for a fall by calling someone World-class on the evidence of such a short period of success.
He's only had 6 good Tests, think about it!

 

[Richard]

...and he actually bowled quite well as well at Lords

Quite well? So he got one wicket with a drag-on and one wicket with a grubber, and that's bowling quite well?

 

[Richard]

Except they don't just watch a player once and make an instant judgment...

Hopefully not - not that they didn't with Blackwell - but all I was saying was that this is a bad idea compared to looking at averages.

 

[marc71178]

Quite well? So he got one wicket with a drag-on and one wicket with a grubber, and that's bowling quite well?

He bowled more than 2 balls in the match

 

[Richard]

And how many times do I have to say good balls that don't take wickets aren't something a bowler deserves much credit for.
And I hardly think the many bad balls he bowled deserve any credit.

 

[marc71178]

And how many times is it pointed out that a wicket doesn't always come as a result of 1 individual ball, but a build-up over time?

 

[a massive zebra]

Jones should never have been given the opportunity to be an international failure. If you are a failure in county cricket then selection for England is ludicrous. He cannot get into the Glamorgan side at the moment and rightly so.

http://uk.cricinfo.com/db/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2004/JUL/010334_ENG_29JUL2004.html

 

[marc71178]

That is more to do with no wanting to disrupt a settled attack.

 

[biased indian]

That is more to do with no wanting to disrupt a settled attack.

how could some one good enough to play for his country disrupting a settled attack.he should be adding more power to it

 

[Richard]

And how many times is it pointed out that a wicket doesn't always come as a result of 1 individual ball, but a build-up over time?

What, so hitting a load of fours causes someone to "feel under pressure" so they play down the wrong line and drag one onto their stumps, does it?