Should Brett Lee be selected for the Ashes?

[Richard]

I see.

 

[Johnners]

What's the diffrence with speeds in test and limited? Don't play dumb. It's speed, not swing, buttboy.The thing we'll need to see is if he has the stamina to sustain that speed.

I won't need to let you know buddy. Lee and the selectors will, when he's automatically chosen. It's gonna happen, don't believe a word of Hilditch's "form not reputation" bull.

And then the silence will become deafening as it usually does in here.

You mean what's the difference apart from the fact that a bowler will pretty much always bowl consistently quicker in a limited overs match compared to a test match? The key is in the limited part tbh.

 

[scorpiogal]

You mean what's the difference apart from the fact that a bowler will pretty much always bowl consistently quicker in a limited overs match compared to a test match? The key is in the limited part tbh.

Nope. That's not what i meant. I'm saying a guy who bowls 150 kph (which we saw Lee do yersterday) with the white ball can do it in tests with the red ball as well, as long as that same rhythm is there. Speed, after all, comes mainly from strength. What we'll have to see with Lee is whether he can bowl mid 130's - 140's for longer spells.

And of course, whether he can or not is yet to be proven until he plays FC games.

 

[Jakester1288]

I've been reconsidering, and for me, if the deck isn't offering much to the spinners, Lee should be selected. But if the track is spinning, he should be ommitted for Hauritz, and Watson is capable of being 4th seamer for 15-20 overs maximum, and any other overs to come from Katich and Clarke, as well as the main 4.

 

[Jakester1288]

My spies tell me ****ley is a very dark horse / smokey.

Your spies need practice.

 

[social]

What's the diffrence with speeds in test and limited? Don't play dumb. It's speed, not swing, buttboy.The thing we'll need to see is if he has the stamina to sustain that speed.

I won't need to let you know buddy. Lee and the selectors will, when he's automatically chosen. It's gonna happen, don't believe a word of Hilditch's "form not reputation" bull.

And then the silence will become deafening as it usually does in here.

I'll try and keep it really simple

Short spell with no pressure in perfect bowling conditions = very easy to bowl fast

Day 5 with test on the line and fifty overs already under your belt in the match = very hard to bowl fast

The fact is that Lee has not shown the ability to do the latter for a considerable period of time whilst both Johnson and Siddle have done it regularly in the last season

Hope that's clear enough for you

 

[scorpiogal]

I'll try and keep it really simple

Short spell with no pressure in perfect bowling conditions = very easy to bowl fast

Day 5 with test on the line and fifty overs already under your belt in the match = very hard to bowl fast

The fact is that Lee has not shown the ability to do the latter for a considerable period of time whilst both Johnson and Siddle have done it regularly in the last season

Hope that's clear enough for you

Lee hasn't played FC matches yet, so we won't know till he does. We haven't seen Lee bowl 50 overs fully fit. We'll discuss that when he bowls 50 overs. Simple enough for you?

Siddle is coming back from injury, will he be able to do it? We won't know until he plays FC matches as well and he was carded to start bowling off a short run now and we don't know if that's happened.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Siddle has been having his workload severely restricted. He bowled through pain in the SA series, and then has been rested since. No rehabilitation, no operations. Just rest.

 

[Son Of Coco]

What's the diffrence with speeds in test and limited? Don't play dumb. It's speed, not swing, buttboy.The thing we'll need to see is if he has the stamina to sustain that speed.

I won't need to let you know buddy. Lee and the selectors will, when he's automatically chosen. It's gonna happen, don't believe a word of Hilditch's "form not reputation" bull.

And then the silence will become deafening as it usually does in here.

After 14 posts you're a veteran?

Or is this Precambrian again? I find it hard to believe it would be as he/she seems to be sticking up for an Australian.

 

[scorpiogal]

Siddle has been having his workload severely restricted. He bowled through pain in the SA series, and then has been rested since. No rehabilitation, no operations. Just rest.

Is that so? I clearly remember an article from The Age where Siddle mentions that he had only just started walking and was expecting to restart bowling 3 weeks from that.

I'll try to track down the article.

 

[scorpiogal]

Or is this Precambrian again? I find it hard to believe it would be as he/she seems to be sticking up for an Australian.

Why? Cause I'm West Indian? You think I'm a sock-puppet? Dude, I've been a supporter of the Aussie team ever since I was 13 and risk being hated by other West Indians for doing so.

 

[Son Of Coco]

Why? Cause I'm West Indian? You think I'm a sock-puppet? Dude, I've been a supporter of the Aussie team ever since I was 13 and risk being hated by other West Indians for doing so.

I don't know how long you've been here for, but if you knew who Precambrian was you'd know what I'm talking about.

 

[scorpiogal]

I don't know how long you've been here for, but if you knew who Precambrian was you'd know what I'm talking about.

I have no idea who that is. and btw, I'm a woman.

 

[Son Of Coco]

I have no idea who that is. and btw, I'm a woman.

I thought you were, your name kind of indicates as much. Strange things happen on forums though so I didn't want to gamble either way

Missing Precam is a blessing.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Siddle has been having his workload severely restricted. He bowled through pain in the SA series, and then has been rested since. No rehabilitation, no operations. Just rest.

Your spies tell you what the prob is? Shoulder again?

Be tragic if he missed The Ashes.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Your spies tell you what the prob is? Shoulder again?

Be tragic if he missed The Ashes.

Pretty sure that it was the same issue throughout the series' in Australia and SA - the foot.

 

[BoyBrumby]

Pretty sure that it was the same issue throughout the series' in Australia and SA - the foot.

Ah, passed me by, that. He did have shoulder probs when he first emerged, didn't he? Or have I got him confused with someone else?

No matter. Cheers.

 

[vic_orthdox]

Had a number of back issues when he was very young, before he played his first couple of games for Victoria. After that, he had shoulder issues, and spent a while where he could bowl but not throw. He eventually had shoulder surgery, and was in recovery from that when he was in India on both the Australia "A" tour and when he made his debut. Thus his throwing arm is still recovering, not at its peak.

 

[scorpiogal]

Is that so? I clearly remember an article from The Age where Siddle mentions that he had only just started walking and was expecting to restart bowling 3 weeks from that.

I'll try to track down the article.

Here we go

The article is dated April 25th. 3 weeks away from bowling which should be now.

 

[pasag]

Ah, passed me by, that. He did have shoulder probs when he first emerged, didn't he? Or have I got him confused with someone else?

No matter. Cheers.

I think you're confusing 'troubled' shoulder with 'tasteless' shoulder;