Should Australis A be granted test status?

[marc71178]

yeah marc ofcourse, have a look at the scorecard - the acadamy side declared twice, only lost 7 wickets, bangladesh lost 15, also note that this is an ACADAMY side, most of these players dont even have much first class experience...

Doesn't matter who lost more wickets - look at how many runs were scored in total, and the Bangladeshi's won.

Now, if Australian's were as great as you'd have us believe, then surely even the academy should've beaten them?

As for First Class experience, the tourists hardly have a lot.

 

[Craig]

Pollock's record:

http://www-aus.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/RSA/P/POLLOCK_SM_03002228/

McGraths record:

http://www-aus.cricket.org/link_to_database/PLAYERS/AUS/M/MCGRATH_GD_02002101/

 

[marc71178]

I never realised that Pollock's average and Economy were that good - both better than McGrath!

 

[Neil Pickup]

Ooh, I've missed some fun. Several points:

1) Definite statements like "McGrath is the best get over it" are small-minded and insular.

2) Picking McGrath against Pollock is totally hypothetical as they'd both be in any XI that I would pick at present (barring overseas quotient rules..)

3) Pollock used to be awesome, but now he has just become a mediocre medium pacer.

Mediocre Medium Pacer = Rikki Clarke.
Shaun Pollock <> Rikki Clarke.

4) Since when have wickets lost counted in determining the result of a match? Not heard of declaration bowling?

5) I wonder what McGrath would do on our school track, out of use for four years as it's too uneven, green and dangerous for batsmen (last two matches we played on it we bowled out the opposition for 27, 29 and 33).

 

[marc71178]

5) I wonder what McGrath would do on our school track, out of use for four years as it's too uneven, green and dangerous for batsmen (last two matches we played on it we bowled out the opposition for 27, 29 and 33).

Isn't that 3 matches?

 

[age_master]

Doesn't matter who lost more wickets - look at how many runs were scored in total, and the Bangladeshi's won.

Now, if Australian's were as great as you'd have us believe, then surely even the academy should've beaten them?

As for First Class experience, the tourists hardly have a lot.

Muleman would be the most experienced player in our acadamy with 14 matches, most (well a fair few of anyway) of the Bangladeshi players have played that many test matches, AND more than that many first class matches, that means that most of these players dont even make state sides much, yet, so lets say at the moment that this would be the 7th, 8th or even lower best side in the country, they will improve and they will no doubt all play at least state level cricket in Australia and what i was trying to say is that they declared to try and get a result, which, Australian sides do, and risk losing, cause they are not boring like alot of english sides and just bat for a draw... it almost came off for them as well taking 8 wickets in the last innings.

ohh and to measure a direct comparison to your english acadamy with its more regular first class experience (some of its players have played more than 30 FC games) you could add the likes of Michael Clarke, Nathan Hauritz, Jaques (who is crushing english 1st class attacks atm).

 

[Rik]

Nathan Hauritz, Jaques (who is crushing english 1st class attacks atm).

Oh yes, Hauritz, FC bowling average 30+

Jaques? You mean Phil Jaques? Last game (against Hampshire) he scored 15 and 0, that's hardly crushing. And your forgetting that rather a lot of English attacks are full of mediocre South African or Australian EU National bowlers (Carter at Warwickshire, Mason and Harrity at Worcestershire to name but 3). Your not getting out of this one so easily :P

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Re Jaques: His 817 runs in 10 matches doesn't seem to reflect too badly on his ability.

Re Hauritz: I've only seen him bowl a couple of times and he didn't look all that special. That said, I won't judge him after having such limited viewing opportunity. His average is a bit high though...

 

[Eclipse]

Oh yes, Hauritz, FC bowling average 30+

Jaques? You mean Phil Jaques? Last game (against Hampshire) he scored 15 and 0, that's hardly crushing. And your forgetting that rather a lot of English attacks are full of mediocre South African or Australian EU National bowlers (Carter at Warwickshire, Mason and Harrity at Worcestershire to name but 3). Your not getting out of this one so easily :P

I dont think You will win that argument Phil Jaques has probably been the best bat this season in county cricket.

Just noticed he hit a great hundred in the National Leauge as well.

I would be very supprised if he doesent get a game for NSW next seasson now.

 

[Top_Cat]

Re: QLD academy going down to Bangladesh; Thank buggery they did. A Test-playing side, regardless of how mediocre they may be, SHOULD beat a QLD academy side, comprised of players taken from many and varied levels of cricket. Most of those guys wouldn´t have played with each other before so if they had managed to beat a Test team (even a mediocre one which has been playing together for a couple of years now), well that´d be pretty dismal.

As for McGrath vs Pollock - well they´re both obviously pretty awesome bowlers with very similar records but I can´t help but think that if McGrath had played against Bangladesh and had played against teams like Sri Lanka and Zim as many times as Pollock has, his record would be a heck of a lot better too.

And Marc, McGrath´s strike rate is better than Pollocks. Personally I´d be more concerned with that than average or econ. rate.

Still, Pollock´s bowling against Australia in Adelaide was simply awesome, an absolute clinic in how to bowl on what was a very flat pitch.

 

[royGilchrist]

first of all, Corey, whats up with your keyboard. Your messages are full of unintelligible characters. Ar you doing this on purpose, just to annoy everyone Or the LSD is finally starting to work I hope everyone else also sees it.

McGrath vs. Pollock. All-time its very close. Pollock has been a very good bowler. But at presnt for the last year o two I think there is no comparison. Then number of wickets McGrath takes, in a very top-notch bowling attack, Warne, Gillispie, Lee etc, is very impressive. Pollock is favoured by the Hadlee syndrome, in a weak bowling attack.

Once again all stats aside, the hypothetical question "If you were the team captain and were given the choice of getting either McGrath or Pollock, based on their recent years' performance, whom would you pick. They can only bowl for their team - no batting, fielding, or captaincy."

I think everyone should say McGrath without any doubt.

 

[marc71178]

I dont think You will win that argument Phil Jaques has probably been the best bat this season in county cricket.

That must be the biggest load of tripe you've ever posted.

 

[marc71178]

Muleman would be the most experienced player in our acadamy with 14 matches, most (well a fair few of anyway) of the Bangladeshi players have played that many test matches, AND more than that many first class matches,

At least 4 of those players had played less than 10 FC matches, and this is in Bangladesh.

So, it's really great experience for them, being continually thrashed and not learning something. Also, the standard of Bangladeshi First Class Cricket is not high at all, but, as you're always quick to point out, Australian Cricket is harder than anything.

 

[marc71178]

McGrath vs. Pollock. All-time its very close. Pollock has been a very good bowler. But at presnt for the last year o two I think there is no comparison. Then number of wickets McGrath takes, in a very top-notch bowling attack, Warne, Gillispie, Lee etc, is very impressive. Pollock is favoured by the Hadlee syndrome, in a weak bowling attack.

Doesn't that also mean Pollock has to be stock as well as strike?

If he had the great attack alongside him, he could concentrate on strike bowling.

 

[royGilchrist]

What will be your answer to the question I asked Marc, and Just give a one word answer, Pollock or McGrath?

 

[age_master]

At least 4 of those players had played less than 10 FC matches, and this is in Bangladesh.

So, it's really great experience for them, being continually thrashed and not learning something. Also, the standard of Bangladeshi First Class Cricket is not high at all, but, as you're always quick to point out, Australian Cricket is harder than anything.

your agreeing with me ?????

 

[age_master]

At least 4 of those players had played less than 10 FC matches, and this is in Bangladesh.

So, it's really great experience for them, being continually thrashed and not learning something. Also, the standard of Bangladeshi First Class Cricket is not high at all, but, as you're always quick to point out, Australian Cricket is harder than anything.

your agreeing with me ?????

 

[Rik]

I dont think You will win that argument Phil Jaques has probably been the best bat this season in county cricket.

Just noticed he hit a great hundred in the National Leauge as well.

I would be very supprised if he doesent get a game for NSW next seasson now.

He's an EU national so the chances of him playing for NSW are now very slim. He's making a career over here. He's done well this season but to say he's one of the top bats may be going a little far.

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

They're both on par. My answer is Pollock/McGrath.

 

[marc71178]

What will be your answer to the question I asked Marc, and Just give a one word answer, Pollock or McGrath?

Pollock