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Shootout in Lahore

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
Thanks for the nice comments but it is extreamly justified I feel.
Oh no question. The inevitable lack of cricket in Pakistan is not something I was questioning, only that it is something to be unhappy about. Not a tragedy on the scale of the lives lost to terrorism, but a tragedy nonetheless.
 

Dazza_20

Cricket Spectator
Asanka Gurusinghe was just on TV. He spoke to Jayawardene who said 'I wouldn't be talking to you right now if the rocket launcher did hit'
 

funnygirl

State Regular
This is shockingly unbelivable.Never i thought that the cricketers would be attacked .

Hats off to those courageous policemen who sacrificed their lives to protect the players . It would have been a huge irrepairable tragedy if they had not acted quickly.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
FFS, I dont know the full details but this sounds terrible. Its unfortunate but despite all the honest hard working Pakistani fans, Pakistan should not host any sporting event at any level for the forseeable future.
 

four_or_six

Cricketer Of The Year
The more I think about this, the more shocked I am. I would have thought it was awful if it was England, but in some ways I find this even worse. Targetting Sri Lanka just seems so completely random, because you can't even have someone say it's because of things the English have done, or have been perceived to have done, in the past. I can't ever think of a sporting team being directly targeted at random in this way.
 

Evermind

International Debutant
Pakistan slowly turning into Afghanistan. :(

And there's the nukes to worry about. What an awful situation.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
RIP to the guards et al who were tragically killed. And wishing those injured a speedy and complete recovery.

Sadly I think it's also a case of vale Pakistani cricket for the foreseeable future. When it's seeming increasingly unlikely the state will see out 2009 as a viable country, sport is the least of anyone's concerns.

Pretty ****ed all around. Lots of people are going to keep on paying the price for the misguided policies of years past.
 

SJS

Hall of Fame Member
I don't believe that some people in our media and govt are so delusional as to not see the problem within our country and continue to point at outside forces.

Pakistan has to recognize that these Fundamentalist groups are the biggest threat to the country’s existence and they are playing their part in disintegrating the nation.


Serious efforts needs to be put in to complexly wipe off these dangerous elements before the country turns in to Taliban time Afghanistan.
Hi Xuhaib

My heart goes out to cricket lovers from Pakistan.

I generally avoid commenting on contentious non-cricketing issues on CW but since you have written this, I am emboldened to write what I am about to. Please do not think of me as anything but an elder. I could very well be from your own family.

I talk to a lot of Pakistani men, mainly youngsters in my travels across the world. One comes across them and since we all lokk the same and speak the same language you always start talking and speaking in one's mother tongue in a foregin land always brings a sense of warmth and intimacy. I have invariably observed the following.

1. There is a very strong desire to convince me that all Pakistanis (or a majority anyway) are peace loving.
2. There is a denial of the presence of any major terrorist network in Pakistan.
3. In a very large number of cases there is a feeling or conviction that 9/11 was a conspiracy hatched in US.
4. If the talk ever veers around to terrorism across the world, there is an inclination to talk of the injustices in Paletine, Kashmir, Bosnia etc etc.

I am saying this not to paint streotypes my friend as you will soon see.

I understand how it feels to have the perspective that the whole world is looking at you with 'jaundiced' eyes. I am a Sikh and used to wear a turban at the time of the Punjab terrorism in India. I have seen the same look in the eyes of my countrymen towards Sikhs. I have seen Sikhs react in exactly the same way, talking of conspiracy theories and the injustices against Sikhs by the Congress and the Jan Sangh and so on. I know exactly how it feels and how we tend to react.

But that doesn't get us anywhere.

The Sikhs in Punjab had to decide that enough was enough. That the Sikh terrorists (and thats exactly what they were) were doing more harm to the Sikh community than could be imagined. That unless checked this could have long term consequences and the Sikh community, one of the most prosperous in India would lose all they had earned with their sweat and toil if this went on.

So the Sikhs of Punjab started co-operating with the police much more proactively, putting their lives at risk at the hands of the terrorists (and I admit at the hands of the police at times) but eventually Punjab waas rid of the problem. WE got back, nay earned back the respect of our countrymen which was always rightfully ours but had been denied for a decade due to the misdeeds of some of our co-religionists.

Were we, the normal law abiding Sikhs unfairly targetted? Maybe. But we were indirectly complicit to the extent that so many of us went into a reflex denial mode.

Pakistan needs to , colectively decide to fight this menace. Forget the hurt, stereotyping of Muslims by the world causes. Its a small hurt. The bigger problem lies elsewhere.

Take care
 

Ausage

Cricketer Of The Year
Pakistan slowly turning into Afghanistan. :(

And there's the nukes to worry about. What an awful situation.
Yep very scary. Don't think anyone has any idea what should be done about it either :(

EDIT: SJS that really is a top notch post.
 
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pasag

RTDAS
I apologize to everyone I debated in the past regarding playing in Pakistan. I was obviously wrong. Pakistan is not a safe place to play cricket and we don't deserve to ever host another game. I hope to God that the SL players are ok. I pray for the families of the fallen police officers. At least they may get some comfort in knowing they died defending the honor of their nation. I have no proper words to express the depth of my sorrow and anger at this incident.
Weren't you one of the one who said it's understandable Aus didn't want to travel there? As others have said, it's too soon especially as people have died, but it does vindicate Australia's decision though and the guys who called them cowards and rubbished the Australian government's advice to them probably should have a good look at themselves.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
Pakistan slowly turning into Afghanistan. :(

And there's the nukes to worry about. What an awful situation.
not that slowly.

And it's not that SL were targetted. These attacks are aimed at destroying Pakistani civil society and the government first and foremost.
 

Goughy

Hall of Fame Member
not that slowly.

And it's not that SL were targetted. These attacks are aimed at destroying Pakistani civil society and the government first and foremost.
I am distressed about this situation, but I cant help but think what would have happened if this was the Indian team attacked and how this event would playout. What would the response of the Indian government been?
 

Xuhaib

International Coach
SJS good post have a meeting coming up in an hour so have to do some prior work on it will get back to you with a detailed reply in some time.
 

Bracken

U19 Debutant
Hi Xuhaib

My heart goes out to cricket lovers from Pakistan.

I generally avoid commenting on contentious non-cricketing issues on CW but since you have written this, I am emboldened to write what I am about to. Please do not think of me as anything but an elder. I could very well be from your own family.

I talk to a lot of Pakistani men, mainly youngsters in my travels across the world. One comes across them and since we all lokk the same and speak the same language you always start talking and speaking in one's mother tongue in a foregin land always brings a sense of warmth and intimacy. I have invariably observed the following.

1. There is a very strong desire to convince me that all Pakistanis (or a majority anyway) are peace loving.
2. There is a denial of the presence of any major terrorist network in Pakistan.
3. In a very large number of cases there is a feeling or conviction that 9/11 was a conspiracy hatched in US.
4. If the talk ever veers around to terrorism across the world, there is an inclination to talk of the injustices in Paletine, Kashmir, Bosnia etc etc.

I am saying this not to paint streotypes my friend as you will soon see.

I understand how it feels to have the perspective that the whole world is looking at you with 'jaundiced' eyes. I am a Sikh and used to wear a turban at the time of the Punjab terrorism in India. I have seen the same look in the eyes of my countrymen towards Sikhs. I have seen Sikhs react in exactly the same way, talking of conspiracy theories and the injustices against Sikhs by the Congress and the Jan Sangh and so on. I know exactly how it feels and how we tend to react.

But that doesn't get us anywhere.

The Sikhs in Punjab had to decide that enough was enough. That the Sikh terrorists (and thats exactly what they were) were doing more harm to the Sikh community than could be imagined. That unless checked this could have long term consequences and the Sikh community, one of the most prosperous in India would lose all they had earned with their sweat and toil if this went on.

So the Sikhs of Punjab started co-operating with the police much more proactively, putting their lives at risk at the hands of the terrorists (and I admit at the hands of the police at times) but eventually Punjab waas rid of the problem. WE got back, nay earned back the respect of our countrymen which was always rightfully ours but had been denied for a decade due to the misdeeds of some of our co-religionists.

Were we, the normal law abiding Sikhs unfairly targetted? Maybe. But we were indirectly complicit to the extent that so many of us went into a reflex denial mode.

Pakistan needs to , colectively decide to fight this menace. Forget the hurt, stereotyping of Muslims by the world causes. Its a small hurt. The bigger problem lies elsewhere.

Take care
By far the best elucidation of the overall situation I've seen, here or elsewhere.
 

Matt79

Hall of Fame Member
I am distressed about this situation, but I cant help but think what would have happened if this was the Indian team attacked and how this event would playout. What would the response of the Indian government been?
Very close to war IMO, on the heals of Mumbai
 

masterblaster

International Captain
Asanka Gurusinghe was just on TV. He spoke to Jayawardene who said 'I wouldn't be talking to you right now if the rocket launcher did hit'
This statement really brings it home. Everyone is so fortunate that all of the Sri Lankan players are okay.
 

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