subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
My top 10 bowlers :
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Imran
Warne
Murali
Lillee
Ambrose
Wasim
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn
Imran
Warne
Murali
Lillee
Ambrose
Wasim
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Shane Warne vs Imran Khan
- Thread starter DrWolverine
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subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Imran in the 80s vs WI: 51 wickets in 10 tests@16.
Imran in the WSC: 25 wickets@20.
Imran once had 7/8 series in a row averaging sub 20.
Unfortunately Imran the bowler will continue to be underrated because many want to come up with excuses to deny how good he actually was as a bowler in his prime and also wants to apply the same standards of a bowler who played 21 years of cricket as one who played 14 years.
Imran in the WSC: 25 wickets@20.
Imran once had 7/8 series in a row averaging sub 20.
Unfortunately Imran the bowler will continue to be underrated because many want to come up with excuses to deny how good he actually was as a bowler in his prime and also wants to apply the same standards of a bowler who played 21 years of cricket as one who played 14 years.
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kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Yeah, Donald, Lillee and Imran are ridiculously close. Donald gets underrated the most and may just have been better than the other two.
It's really close. I give Imran the edge die to peer rating, but by that argument it should be easily Lillee.
But yeah, Donald is underappreciated,.most SA players are.
DrWolverine
International Regular
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Johans reasoning for McGrath being ahead of Barnes is Ashes record. Doesn't make sense to me.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Not mine, as I have McGrath as having a small but definite advantage over Hadlee, and yeah, I would still add Imran and Lillee next to Donald.
Wasim and Donald right behind.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
DrWolverine
International Regular
Marshall. Hadlee. McGrath.
Steyn.
Ambrose. Donald. Holding. Lillee. Imran. Akram.
Steyn.
Ambrose. Donald. Holding. Lillee. Imran. Akram.
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Why?
McGrath has the greater Ashes record despite more batting friendly wickets and I can see him replicate Barnes's performance on the South African matting wickets.
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Don't recall a time when he had Barnes outside that top 3/4 region tbh.
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
actually Me, @BazBall21 and @capt_Luffy have Barnes at more of less the same positioning I think.
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
So what's the justification for having him above Hadlee?
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
Me too.
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Probably not much between them in quality, would take Barnes there probably as I think more Batsmen found success against Hadlee than they did against Burnes, but Barnes, like Bedser and Fazal, can bowl the amount of overs equivalent to a spinner and thus have a higher impact on the game, He bowls more overs than Shane Warne on average. There's a reason for a 6 WPM in Australia and 7 in general.
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kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
Marshall. Hadlee. McGrath.
Steyn. Ambrose. Warne. Muralitharan.
Donald. Holding. O'Reilly. Lillee. Imran. Akram.
Trueman. Garner. Lindwall. Bumrah. Garner. Davidson. Pollock.
Top 20 for me.
sayon basak
Cricketer Of The Year
I mean, you yourself have Hadlee outside that "GoAT tier".
subshakerz
Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
Lol so close between Donald and Imran he can change his mind in the same page and fit in two more bowlers between them.
So top 11 becomes,
Marshall
McGrath
Hadlee
Steyn/Ambrose
Warne/Murali
Donald/Lillee/IK
Wasim
I think you meant Holding? You listed Donald twice.
It's close to what I think. Sometimes, a minor differences can flip the order but honestly I have not thought about exact ranking for too long. I did not even think about comparing spinners and pacers earlier.
The longer I hear for and against arguments, the less fluid conclusion becomes in my head. If I have watched players then it becomes much easier.
What's your rationale for rating McGrath definnately ahead? Is it flat pitch in 00?
kyear2
Hall of Fame Member
I can't rate a bowler I've never seen. Especially not one like him where everything about him has a shroud of uncertainty over it.
Johan
Cricketer Of The Year
Okay