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Sehwag retires

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Quite a lot of Subcontinental openers score at high strike rates relative to the rest of the world - Anwar, Dhawan, Jayasuriya, Srikkanth are some names off the top of my head.

I was just adding onto Dan's point on why openers of other countries dont have such an aggressive mindset.

Sehwag's record is a tribute to his genius; But it's unlikely a hyper-aggressive opener like him will emerge from countries where going after the new ball isnt a legitimate tactic.

The next Sehwag would emerge from conditions that aren't new-ball friendly.

I don't think the next Sehwag will be that easy to find at all coz like so many others have mentioned, it is highly unlikely another player will have the mental strength to shut off all critics and just do his own thing. Coz remember, even if this hypothetical player does that, everyone will still be comparing him to Sehwag and that by itself can be damaging to him.
 

aussie

Hall of Fame Member
If you had posted that question alone, instead of rubbish like attributing something no one said to Chappell, then I would have taken you more seriously. And on that question, a big NO. Sehwag is SehWAG coz of the way he plays the game. No one ever had the guts and mental strength to do what he does. He acknowledges that he wont bat as long as some of the more technically correct batsmen do and maximizes his chances of scoring runs by batting his way. And he was good enough to do it in test cricket all over the world and average more than 50. If anything, I would say he got very lazy mentally at his peak circa 2009 and stopped even trying to get his eye in in rough condiitons. Its not like he did not have the technique to do well in those conditions. It is just that he refused to concentrate that hard and hence his record ended up the way it has.
Ignoring the inaccuracies in the rest of your post - this in bold a great admittance you of all people HB. Except the part about technique I've always said the same thing about Sehwag in debates.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
What admittance? I have said this every single time about him in threads since 2009. Go check.
 
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G.I.Joe

International Coach
I've gotten more joy out of the Sehwag we've had than I would from an alternate reality Sehwag who averages 55 and strikes at 65.

No regrets.

At all.
 

harsh.ag

Cricket Web: All-Time Legend
And now the **** has got 120* off 149 for Haryana against Karnataka, and it's only tea. WAG.
 

Black_Warrior

Cricketer Of The Year
Ganguly has still not forgiven Dhoni for taking over the team and cutting short Dada's influence. Still some unresolved wound there.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
He has seemingly not forgiven him for kicking out "his" players either apparently. He still wants Harbhajan and Yuvraj back in the side. In fact, I feel there is a rising correlation between MSD getting increasingly frustrated and sidelined in Indian cricket and Ganguly's rising influence on it. I can only hope I am wrong here but with every day, I am starting to think Ganguly is showing more of his post 2003 captaincy traits in Indian cricket administration now. You can still see it in his commentary. He is obviously on target with certain aspects but it is just so obvious that he rates a few players and will constantly put down the ones he does not rate, irrespective of how good they are and how well they actually perform.

Of course it does help that suddenly so many of the Indian cricket fans seem to remember Dalmiya and Ganguly for their best years. Everyone seems to have forgotten how Dalmiya held on to power in 2004 with that ridiculous voting pattern when he lost the vote by 2 and then used his votes as CAB president AND board president to make it a tie and then used his own vote as the president for the tie breaker and made Ranbir Singh Mahendra the BCCI President. To me, Dalmiya, Pawar et al are just as corrupt as Srinivasan seems to be, if not more. It is just that they did not alienate media and all others as arrogantly as Srinivasan did. And you can read up even here on how much we hated Ganguly's captaincy post 2003 WC here at CW itself. I guess retirement and being away from the limelight does make people forget all the bad things. Cozying up to Sachin always helps too. :)
 

Jono

Virat Kohli (c)
Yeah good on Sehwag, but even if Dhoni had played a part in Sehwag's dropping it wouldn't have made him any "less" of a nice guy imo. Sometimes you get dropped cos you're not performing anymore.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
These conspiracy theories against Ganguly are so idiotic. Ganguly has appreciated Dhoni as a captain. Just because he believes some thing doesn't make it a he hates Dhoni. It's not a soap opera.
 

Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
He has seemingly not forgiven him for kicking out "his" players either apparently. He still wants Harbhajan and Yuvraj back in the side. In fact, I feel there is a rising correlation between MSD getting increasingly frustrated and sidelined in Indian cricket and Ganguly's rising influence on it. I can only hope I am wrong here but with every day, I am starting to think Ganguly is showing more of his post 2003 captaincy traits in Indian cricket administration now. You can still see it in his commentary. He is obviously on target with certain aspects but it is just so obvious that he rates a few players and will constantly put down the ones he does not rate, irrespective of how good they are and how well they actually perform.

Of course it does help that suddenly so many of the Indian cricket fans seem to remember Dalmiya and Ganguly for their best years. Everyone seems to have forgotten how Dalmiya held on to power in 2004 with that ridiculous voting pattern when he lost the vote by 2 and then used his votes as CAB president AND board president to make it a tie and then used his own vote as the president for the tie breaker and made Ranbir Singh Mahendra the BCCI President. To me, Dalmiya, Pawar et al are just as corrupt as Srinivasan seems to be, if not more. It is just that they did not alienate media and all others as arrogantly as Srinivasan did. And you can read up even here on how much we hated Ganguly's captaincy post 2003 WC here at CW itself. I guess retirement and being away from the limelight does make people forget all the bad things. Cozying up to Sachin always helps too. :)
Wow. What a ridiculous thing to say. Ganguly had bad and good days as captain. Doesn't mean his good work now or then should be ignored. People appreciate Ganguly or Dalmiya not because of looking through tinted glasses. Ganguly at least seems sincere. Dalmiya did some good things for the game. No one is saying he doesn't have his flaws. And wtf about the cosying up to Sachin. Most of Indian team of back then are friends of Sachin. It's a ridiculous way to try to make a point. Yeah we like Ganguly because he cosies up to Sachin, whatever that means.
 
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Contra

Cricketer Of The Year
Nah Ganguly's fine, he has his opinions but it's rubbish to suggest he has major influences on selections and the like. What's wrong in saying he wants Yuvraj back? The India ODI team is hardly settled and so there is no reason why various names can't be brought up. Not saying we should act on what Ganguly or anyone else says, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Also that Ganguly statement was about Sehwag back in 2013, why is it being brought up now? Like honestly lol
 

Shri

Mr. Glass
The ODI side needs Raina to **** off. Maybe Dhawan too. Rahane should open with Sharma and Suryakumar Yadav replaces Raina. Gurkeerat Singh possibly in for Dhawan. Also needs our rested bowlers back like Shami, Yadav, Aaron etc. The one we saw this series was not the first choice side at least in the bowling side of things.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Wow. What a ridiculous thing to say. Ganguly had bad and good days as captain. Doesn't mean his good work now or then should be ignored. People appreciate Ganguly or Dalmiya not because of looking through tinted glasses. Ganguly at least seems sincere. Dalmiya did some good things for the game. No one is saying he doesn't have his flaws. And wtf about the cosying up to Sachin. Most of Indian team of back then are friends of Sachin. It's a ridiculous way to try to make a point. Yeah we like Ganguly because he cosies up to Sachin, whatever that means.


It is not as ridiculous as saying MSD Is a mediocre captain... 8-)


And hey I am not giving a sermon here nor am I expecting anyone to take my word about Ganguly. That is just my feeling based on following Indian cricket like I have. And Srinivasan has done a lot of good for the game too. Just check how many FC cricketers were payrolled by India Cements. Cricket won't be what it is in India if these guys decided it was not worth their money or time. That somehow doesn't negate the rubbish Srini has done and neither should it negate the rubbish Dalmiya has done. I do believe his captaincy is being looked at with rose-tinted glasses by those who feel he is a better captain than MSD or was more aggressive. I remember Ganguly never having more than two catchers for spinners in their first couple of overs irrespective of the state of the game, I remember him having a deep cover the moment a boundary was hit in the first over. Now people like you talk as if MSD Is the only one who does it when fact is almost every Indian captain since Sachin have been doing it, simply because our bowlers suck, most of the time. This is what I meant by rose-tinted glasses.
 

honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Nah Ganguly's fine, he has his opinions but it's rubbish to suggest he has major influences on selections and the like. What's wrong in saying he wants Yuvraj back? The India ODI team is hardly settled and so there is no reason why various names can't be brought up. Not saying we should act on what Ganguly or anyone else says, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Also that Ganguly statement was about Sehwag back in 2013, why is it being brought up now? Like honestly lol

Its not brought up now. It is refuted. BIG difference because Ganguly spoke as if he knew MSD was behind his axing. Its good to clear the facts up sometimes from speculation passing off as fact, like you guys seem to be taking my post. My post about Sourav above is just a personal take on the situation based on what I have followed of Indian cricket over the last 25 years. It is obviously speculation on my part and as I said there, I will be glad to be proven wrong. I am as much a Sourav fan as any rational Indian cricket fan.


FTR, I think Yuvi deserves another shot at test cricket too. If he comes off at #4 for us, he will balance us out so so much than any other player currently.
 
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Pratters

Cricket, Lovely Cricket
Haha Bharani. Instead of discussing the point at hand you start off by attacking me for saying Dhoni is a mediocre captain a few days back.

Do read this piece and try to refute the points Defensive Dhoni hurts India again | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo Dhoni was a poor test captain.

A lot of media was just gagged by the BCCI during Srinivasan's time. So not many have criticised Dhoni's captaincy openly.

And Srinivasan was the worst thing to have happened to Indian or world cricket ever. Can't believe any one can defend him.
 
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honestbharani

Whatever it takes!!!
Haha Bharani. Instead of discussing the point at hand you start off by attacking me for saying Dhoni is a mediocre captain a few days back.

Do read this piece and try to refute the points Defensive Dhoni hurts India again | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo Dhoni was a poor test captain.

A lot of media was just gagged by the BCCI during Srinivasan's time. So not many have criticised Dhoni's captaincy openly.

And Srinivasan was the worst thing to have happened to Indian or world cricket ever. Can't believe any one can defend him.


Really Pratters, you have no idea how much corrupt BCCI as a whole is if you think this is the only guy who is like that. Its very simple. He is an arrogant prick who was letting corrupt people run important business. Rest of BCCI = corrupt people running business without being an arrogant prick. No one is defending Srinivasan, if you think pointing out the rest are just as corrupt and just not that arrogant is wrong. BTW, even the supreme court did not find Srinivasan guilty of any wrong doing by himself. It was his association with that doofus son-in-law and his arrogant management of the affair that was criticized. I am pretty sure there were excerpts from the Supreme Court where they actually acknowledged his and his company's contributions to Indian cricket and said that while it was all duly noted, it cannot impair their judgement on his conduct after charges were made public on this particular case.


FYI, the conflict of interest was waivered by the current BCCI president back then. And remind me how the corrupt Dalmiya was ousted? By the grand alliance of Pawar, Modi, Manohar and you guessed it, Srinivasan.


And I would love to know which media was gagged coz I remember his captaincy was quite widely criticized over a lot of websites and even by many fans including by myself here. If your definition of "lot of media" is BCCI paid commentators, they exist even today. Do you seriously expect Harsha Bhogle or Gavaskar to speak out about any stupidity of the current team management like backing Rohit Sharma? Did you really hear anything in any of these series that Rohit has been playing for his #intent batting?


And your comments were about his ODI captaincy which has nothing to do with the article you pointed me to.
 

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