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Have you seen Fire in Babylon?I do not remember Bradman or Keith Miller talking like that.
Have you seen Fire in Babylon?I do not remember Bradman or Keith Miller talking like that.
Pressure is a Messerschmidt up your arse. Playing cricket is not.Miller actually fought in a war though, which obviously gave him a sense of perspective about a sporting contest.
I have it on DVD. I like it but it pisses me off how they artificially demean the pre-Lloyd West Indies.Have you seen Fire in Babylon?
Agreed actually.I have it on DVD. I like it but it pisses me off how they artificially demean the pre-Lloyd West Indies.
It's insane that it isn't nevill v wade. piss carey and paine offStoinis, Paine in Australia's Ashes frame - ESPNcricinfo
At last, good people in the frame for the Ashes.
Stoinis would be Voges 2.0, at the least a Bradman.
I think the booze did that moreMiller actually fought in a war though, which obviously gave him a sense of perspective about a sporting contest.
Yep. And the adoption of the four fast bowlers strategy was simply due to Lloyd's inability to get good performances out of spinners, one that seems to have been partly due to his own captaincy.Fire in Babylon is all retcon. The idea that the West Indies were fired up for the 1976 Series to gain revenge for the enslavement of their ancestors is garbage. They just had a lot of good players emerging at the same time and at a time when England were pretty ordinary.
I would’ve thought that for most of the 1960s the West Indies were the best side in the world – beat India at home 5-0, won in India, beat England in England twice, beat Australia at home.I hate the way they portray the West Indies as a joke team ('calypso cricketers' - was that really an insult when it was directed at the Windies in 1960-1?) which Clive Lloyd and his quartet of express pacemen then took over and turned into world beaters, overriding some colonial/racist crime. What a load of bollocks. Learning your history of West Indies cricket from that DVD and you'd be forgiven for not knowing who Garfield Sobers is!! 1960-67 the West Indies were certainly one of the greatest sides of test cricket - Hunte, Kanhai, aforementioned Sobers, Worrell*, Gibbs, Hall - and they had decent sides before that, when they had the three Ws and the spin twins, Valentine and Ramadhin and earlier still during the Headley/Constantine era. They beat England in England (Hutton/Washbrook), albeit an England who does not seem to have taken them seriously, 3-1 in 1950 and always defeated the minnows of that (pre-Worrell captaincy) era, New Zealand, India and Pakistan..
I suppose they were the third best test team after England and Oz, between their test inauguration and Worrell's captaincy (although they never played South Africa). Then under Worrell they because arguably the best test team in the world - well it was either them or Benaud's Australia.
FWIW the retroactively calculated raking have them as no. 1 from the start of '64 to the end of '68, which seems about right, maybe even an underestimate. Shame they never played South Africa though, it being politically inexpedient to do so.I would’ve thought that for most of the 1960s the West Indies were the best side in the world – beat India at home 5-0, won in India, beat England in England twice, beat Australia at home.
They fell away rapidly from 1968 onwards but they were exceptional for the majority of the decade.
Exceptional team who also played cricket in the correct spirit. That first Worrell trophy is arguably the greatest test series ever. There is a great documentary on it, part one,I would’ve thought that for most of the 1960s the West Indies were the best side in the world – beat India at home 5-0, won in India, beat England in England twice, beat Australia at home.
They fell away rapidly from 1968 onwards but they were exceptional for the majority of the decade.
I hate the way they portray the West Indies as a joke team ('calypso cricketers' - was that really an insult when it was directed at the Windies in 1960-1?) which Clive Lloyd and his quartet of express pacemen then took over and turned into world beaters, overriding some colonial/racist crime. What a load of bollocks. Learning your history of West Indies cricket from that DVD and you'd be forgiven for not knowing who Garfield Sobers is!! 1960-67 the West Indies were certainly one of the greatest sides of test cricket - Hunte, Kanhai, aforementioned Sobers, Worrell*, Gibbs, Hall - and they had decent sides before that, when they had the three Ws and the spin twins, Valentine and Ramadhin and earlier still during the Headley/Constantine era. They beat England in England (Hutton/Washbrook), albeit an England who does not seem to have taken them seriously, 3-1 in 1950 and always defeated the minnows of that (pre-Worrell captaincy) era, New Zealand, India and Pakistan..
I suppose they were the third best test team after England and Oz, between their test inauguration and Worrell's captaincy (although they never played South Africa). Then under Worrell they because arguably the best test team in the world - well it was either them or Benaud's Australia.
I suspect we may be on the wrong end of the mother of all thumpings.So the Ashes eh.........