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Road to the 2017-18 Ashes in Australia

Grumpy

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Out of curiosity, is this the first time since Bradman/Hammond that the two Ashes captains are arguably the two best Test batsmen in the world?
 

Red

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Out of curiosity, is this the first time since Bradman/Hammond that the two Ashes captains are arguably the two best Test batsmen in the world?
I'd imagine at some point in the 80s when Viv and AB captained against each other this might have been the case.

Also, in 97, Lara and Tendulkar skippered their respective sides against each other.
 

Burgey

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Waugh and Tendulkar/ Waugh and Lara as well in the late 90s. Lara has that patch in the Kate 90s where he kind of lost the plot for a bit before he came back with that 1999 series.
 

JRC67

U19 12th Man
I don't think Warne is suggesting applying an identical theory to the Bodyline series, and personally I think he has a point when he says that certain England players in the mid-lower order have shown a certain susceptibilty to the short ball. Soon as Moeen comes out I would bounce the s**t out of him, would also try a similar theory with Bairstow, who has admittedly improved his short-ball game, and certainly with Broad and the rest of the tail.
Ali is a bit of an odd one. When he ducks he plays the short ball ok. It's when he tries to play it he gets in to a mess. Short outside off stump he tends to put it away. At times he seems to see himself as a decent at pulling and hooking and he just isn't. He gets out disproportionately playing across the line to spinners more than the short ball. It's anyone's guess whether he'll hook or duck tomorrow as it just comes down to how he feels walking in to the middle. If he starts hooking he just carries on until he gets out so Australia have got to try him out early doors and see what he does. Massive opportunity for him to win the top six batting spot he wants, whether he has it in him to be anything other than someone who just bats the way he feels at the time is the big question. For a serious batsman he has far too many sub 20 dismissals to impulsive shots early in his innings.
 

Red

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Out of curiosity, is this the first time since Bradman/Hammond that the two Ashes captains are arguably the two best Test batsmen in the world?
Yeh sorry didnt realise you'd specified "Ashes" captains when I made my post above.
 

cnerd123

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I don't think Warne is suggesting applying an identical theory to the Bodyline series, and personally I think he has a point when he says that certain England players in the mid-lower order have shown a certain susceptibilty to the short ball. Soon as Moeen comes out I would bounce the s**t out of him, would also try a similar theory with Bairstow, who has admittedly improved his short-ball game, and certainly with Broad and the rest of the tail.
turns out Warne was right
 

Spikey

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Out of curiosity, is this the first time since Bradman/Hammond that the two Ashes captains are arguably the two best Test batsmen in the world?
if you go through the historical icc batting rankings i think you'd fine it's the case. funnily enough cook/clarke 2013 is probably the next closest
 

vic_orthdox

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Gooch ever captain against Border in early 90s? I guess Border might have been in that period where he wasn't making hundreds but was still averaging 40 though.
 

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