richie benaud's greatest 11

[tooextracool]

Everyone said he bowled far more deliveries, with far better accuracy, at far greater speed, than most spinners.
They also said he could bowl more than one style with considerable success, something not many have been able to do.
Even Sobers never managed to bowl any of his styles with extraordinary success.
We can fairly safely say that the definitions of all the above haven't changed much down the years.

the thing was the people who said that didnt watch warne or murali bowl, therefore they said that he bowled with far more accuracy etc than bowlers who has played in their time. and because he bowled with different styles on again helpful conditions, it doesnt mean that he was better.

 

[Richard]

No, it doesn't - but nonetheless accuracy for wristspin seems to me to have remained a fairly constant down the years.

 

[SJS]

Professional attitude in sports didnt exist till this century and in the case of cricket, it didnt exist till late 50s/early 1960s.

Whatever that may mean.
Whatever may be the source of such an authoritative assertion.
Whatever....

 

[Richard]

SJS you are back! And on top form too.
Hope the back (or whatever it was) is feeling better.

 

[SJS]

SJS you are back! And on top form too.
Hope the back (or whatever it was) is feeling better.

Thanks Richard.

Yes its my back. Slip Disc

I am only allowed to sit for 20 minutes at a time, max !!

 

[JASON]

Thanks Richard.

Yes its my back. Slip Disc

I am only allowed to sit for 20 minutes at a time, max !!

Hope you have been prescribed decent pain killers !!

 

[SJS]

Hope you have been prescribed decent pain killers !!

The ones I have been prescribed havent looked indecent to me

Seriously, I am on painkillers, short wave diathermy and physiotherapy plus some gel for local applications.

 

[tooextracool]

No, it doesn't - but nonetheless accuracy for wristspin seems to me to have remained a fairly constant down the years.

what part of 'the people who watched barnes bowl never got to watch warne or murali bowl' do you not understand?
you said that the people who watched barnes bowl said that he was more accurate than anyone else they'd seen. since they hadnt seen shane warne, how the hell would they know?

 

[Richard]

They haven't - and it's quite conceivable that Warne and Murali were every bit as accurate as him - but by the sounds of things Barnes was rather quicker and could bowl almost as many different balls as Warne - plus bowl seam-up.

 

[Richard]

The ones I have been prescribed havent looked indecent to me

Seriously, I am on painkillers, short wave diathermy and physiotherapy plus some gel for local applications.

Just don't overuse the stuff and get dependent on them. :serious:

 

[tooextracool]

They haven't - and it's quite conceivable that Warne and Murali were every bit as accurate as him - but by the sounds of things Barnes was rather quicker and could bowl almost as many different balls as Warne - plus bowl seam-up.

or it could be that both warne and murali are more accurate than him.
and none of those things mentioned necessarily make barnes a better bowler.

 

[C_C]

and could bowl almost as many different balls as Warne

doubt that.
I forget which one, but one of the googly or flipper was invented by Clarrie Grimmett.
Sid Barnes being before him, most probably never bowled that particular delivery. So i fail to see how he can have more different balls than Warne or Murali.

 

[Richard]

or it could be that both warne and murali are more accurate than him.
and none of those things mentioned necessarily make barnes a better bowler.

Not neccesarily, no - which is why I've never said "Barnes was quite clearly a better bowler than Warne and Murali".

 

[Richard]

doubt that.
I forget which one, but one of the googly or flipper was invented by Clarrie Grimmett.
Sid Barnes being before him, most probably never bowled that particular delivery. So i fail to see how he can have more different balls than Warne or Murali.

Barnes could do things most people couldn't - it's perfectly possible he could bowl Googlies and Flippers when no-one else could.
It was Grimmett who began the regular use of the Flipper, BTW - the Googly was invented by Bosanquet and patented by the four South Africans of the 1910s (bit like Sarfraz was amongst the first to use reverse-swing and it was patented by Imran, Wasim and Waqar).

 

[tooextracool]

Not neccesarily, no - which is why I've never said "Barnes was quite clearly a better bowler than Warne and Murali".

no you just said that all evidence points towards barnes being better than warne, even though there has never been a single person whos watched both of them bowl.

 

[Richard]

Well maybe I should have said "all the evidence as far as I can see" then.

 

[marc71178]

And what is that based on?

Pure guesswork.

 

[C_C]

Barnes could do things most people couldn't - it's perfectly possible he could bowl Googlies and Flippers when no-one else could.
It was Grimmett who invented the Flipper,

Thanks for the correction but that is clearly as contradictory statement as any i've seen from you.
If Grimmett invented it, no one before him bowled it. Barnes was before him and thus most likely didnt bowl it.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can big up a few dazzling stars when the field was so woeful and was predominantly amatuer.
I guess Katich or Hick shining in backyard cricket is just as good as shining in test cricket of the modern times.


THe only one i would pick from the pre 60s era is Bradman and thats because of his unbelievable superiority over the rest of the field.
Rest all would most likely stuggle in today's setup as fattening one's average in modern day test cricket is a totally different ballgame than fattening one's average in backyard cricket that passed for cricket in those days.

 

[Richard]

Thanks for the correction but that is clearly as contradictory statement as any i've seen from you.
If Grimmett invented it, no one before him bowled it. Barnes was before him and thus most likely didnt bowl it.

Wrong - by "invented" I quite clearly meant patented it and showed everyone how to do it, and I quite clearly stated that Barnes bowled stuff that no-one could comprehend, so it's quite clearly possible that he bowled a Flipper.

 

[Richard]

And what is that based on?

Pure guesswork.

Educated guesswork, of course.