Richards still King!

[Migara]

Longevity is a piece of **** according to you all?

 

[hang on]

Longevity is a piece of **** according to you all?

care to elaborate?

 

[centurymaker]

Longevity is a piece of **** according to you all?

yeah apparently people seem to think that a guy averging 50 at a sr of 85 over 100-150 games is better than a guy avging 45 over 300+ games at sr of 80.



(it's just an example)

 

[abmk]

Longevity is a piece of **** according to you all?

I agree ..... Quite funny to see so many placing Viv well ahead of Sachin .....

IMO, while Viv's peak is probably a shade better, if we talk overall, don't see much of a difference ....

 

[abmk]

Sehwag isn't even in the top 25 ODI bats IMO, let alone top 10 .....On top of my head ,

Viv, Sachin, Bevan, Ponting, Deano, Miandad, Inzy, Dhoni, Hussey,Mark, Gilly, Hayden,Gordon,Abbas, Symonds, Ganguly,Yuvi,Anwar, Lara, Kirsten, Gayle, De silva, Sanath, Azhar , Graeme, KP are better ....

yep, that's more than 25 .....

 

[hang on]

yeah apparently people seem to think that a guy averging 50 at a sr of 85 over 100-150 games is better than a guy avging 45 over 300+ games at sr of 80.

u mean dhoni over ponting?

 

[centurymaker]

u mean dhoni over ponting?

nah just a hypothetical example.

btw i'd say ponting is perhaps tad better than dhoni.

 

[Burgey]

I agree ..... Quite funny to see so many placing Viv well ahead of Sachin .....

IMO, while Viv's peak is probably a shade better, if we talk overall, don't see much of a difference ....

You know Richards played ODIs from at least 75-91 right? That's 16 years in itself, plenty long enough to compare. It isn't as long as Tendulkar, but we aren't comparing the latter with a five year player here.

 

[Burgey]

nah just a hypothetical example.

btw i'd say ponting is perhaps tad better than dhoni.

Again, they're vastly different players with different roles.

 

[abmk]

You know Richards played ODIs from at least 75-91 right? That's 16 years in itself, plenty long enough to compare. It isn't as long as Tendulkar, but we aren't comparing the latter with a five year player here.

If we were comparing Sachin with a five year player having Viv's record, I'd say Sachin is definitely better because he played for much longer.

Its not just the no of years, but the no of matches as well

Needs to be kept in mind that Viv went rapidly downhill after 87 .....

don't see that much of a problem in saying Viv is/was the best ODI batsman, but daylight b/w him and the next best ? Seriously ?

 

[Burgey]

If we were comparing Sachin with a five year player having Viv's record, I'd say Sachin is definitely better because he played for much longer.

Its not just the no of years, but the no of matches as well

Needs to be kept in mind that Viv went rapidly downhill after 87 .....

don't see that much of a problem in saying Viv is/was the best ODI batsman, but daylight b/w him and the next best ? Seriously ?

Well I never said daylight, but he is the best ODI batsman I've seen, and by a reasonable margin.

 

[smash84]

yeah, it seems a stretch to put daylight between Viv and number 2

 

[abmk]

Well I never said daylight, but he is the best ODI batsman I've seen, and by a reasonable margin.

But that is precisely what that article or that way of measurement says:

Richards, followed by daylight

 

[ankitj]

I agree longevity is a huge factor. That is why I will put Tendulkar behind only Viv. Can't see the longevity factor doing enough to dislodge Viv from top tbh but that's just my opinion.

 

[smash84]

awta wrt top order batsmen

 

[Burgey]

But that is precisely what that article or that way of measurement says:

Richards, followed by daylight

Choose another measure and you'll get someone else on top by whatever margin.

Richards was a long way ahead of his time tbf. Not that that may be reflected in this measure, but it's something which comes into my rating him so high

 

[centurymaker]

Again, they're vastly different players with different roles.

if you had to pick one of the two in your all time team purely as a batsman, who would you pick?

 

[Sanz]

Viv Richards is the greatest ODI batsman and by quite a Distance and this is not an opinion, it is a fact. There will never be another Richards.

 

[miscer]

Viv Richards is the greatest ODI batsman and by quite a Distance and this is not an opinion, it is a fact. There will never be another Richards.

when you say it like that I am forced to repost this:

viv to share top spot with tendulkar for me. reason?
this: All-round records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPN Cricinfo

tendulkar was basically a number 5/6 player and was 16 years old at debut. it wasn't until he became an opener that he even scored his first hundred. and since then he's been brilliant. 17 years too.

ofcourse you can't just drop the first 5 years even if he was 16 and even if he was down the order which is why I have him equal.

edit: going by this specifically viv will still top it ofcourse. (it gives SR a bit more importance than id like but so be it).

viv is excellent I get it, but it's like tendulkar is being underrated almost... the dude averages 45 since he waas 16 years old. that's 70+ odis batting as a finisher, something he wasn't even good at. thats 70+ odis without a single hundred. then all of a sudden 48 hundreds. I mean it's not even like it's a peak or something. he's averaged close to 48 for 17 years now with 16kish runs.

they are equal idk how you can say it is an absolute fact viv is better.

 

[karan316]

You can never ever compare legends, if you go in details and not just judge by stats, you will understand how different the situations are for all the players,each batsmen comes in a different situation to bat against different bowlers and each bowler has different situations to bowl in. Whatever conclusions that are derived out of the comparisons made are too shallow, its better to admire and enjoy their skills and learn something from the legends rather than trying to make comparisons.